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In all fairness I think Dart is Flutter's strength, not it's weakness. It is a very well thought out language, unlike javascript(in the spirit of discussing ele

In all fairness I think Dart is Flutter's strength, not it's weakness. It is a very well thought out language, unlike javascript(in the spirit of discussing electron). There is undeniably a problem with flutter however: while it can be used for desktop applications, it's mobile-first, desktop-sec.. well... desktop-kinda-sorta-works...

moksly 6y ago
I don’t mind dart, but typescript and electron have the full weight of Microsoft behind them while dart and flutter remain mostly hobby projects. We did the business case for cross platform, as we’re a non-tech enterprise organisation with 10.000 employees but few developers. We wanted flutter to win, but react native came out like the sound choice.
- searchableguy 6y ago
  > while dart and flutter remain mostly hobby projects. What makes you think that? They have spent more than 3-4 years with millions of dollars on it.
- axegon_ 6y ago
  You'd be surprised how many top-downloaded apps are made with flutter. Electron and typescrypt may have some potential but they have a horrible genetic desease - javascript. That alone makes flutter a clear winner.
  - moksly 6y ago
    Can you Name some?
    - stephenhuey 6y ago
      I don't know download rankings, but some I expect get significant traffic include Hamilton, eBay Motors, Google Ads, Grab, Nubank, Dream11, and Alibaba. https://flutter.dev/showcase https://flutter.dev/showcase
baglunch 6y ago
Yes. The Flutter team makes it clear that desktop support is still in early stages. https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Desktop-shells https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Desktop-shells https://flutter.dev/desktop https://flutter.dev/desktop Still, it seems like Flutter will be a good option once desktop support is more stable.
blablabla123 6y ago
Also I think having a highly integrated toolchain is really important for this. Building something cross-platform with Flutter feels just like a fresh breeze even for web which is a beta target (Desktop being alpha). I would have never gotten the idea to write a web app in Dart, but with Flutter it feels just fine. Like Typescript but from Google.
- axegon_ 6y ago
  Speaking of the web, angulardart got a major update a few weeks ago. And on the subject of web-app-on-dart, my personal site is written in dart (and the 'platform', as some people would call it, is open source for that matter if someone wants to use it or contribute).

moksly 6y ago

I don’t mind dart, but typescript and electron have the full weight of Microsoft behind them while dart and flutter remain mostly hobby projects. We did the business case for cross platform, as we’re a non-tech enterprise organisation with 10.000 employees but few developers. We wanted flutter to win, but react native came out like the sound choice.

searchableguy 6y ago
> while dart and flutter remain mostly hobby projects. What makes you think that? They have spent more than 3-4 years with millions of dollars on it.
axegon_ 6y ago
You'd be surprised how many top-downloaded apps are made with flutter. Electron and typescrypt may have some potential but they have a horrible genetic desease - javascript. That alone makes flutter a clear winner.
- moksly 6y ago
  Can you Name some?
  - stephenhuey 6y ago
    I don't know download rankings, but some I expect get significant traffic include Hamilton, eBay Motors, Google Ads, Grab, Nubank, Dream11, and Alibaba. https://flutter.dev/showcase https://flutter.dev/showcase

baglunch 6y ago

Yes. The Flutter team makes it clear that desktop support is still in early stages. https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Desktop-shells https://github.com/flutter/flutter/wiki/Desktop-shells https://flutter.dev/desktop https://flutter.dev/desktop Still, it seems like Flutter will be a good option once desktop support is more stable.

blablabla123 6y ago

Also I think having a highly integrated toolchain is really important for this. Building something cross-platform with Flutter feels just like a fresh breeze even for web which is a beta target (Desktop being alpha). I would have never gotten the idea to write a web app in Dart, but with Flutter it feels just fine. Like Typescript but from Google.

axegon_ 6y ago
Speaking of the web, angulardart got a major update a few weeks ago. And on the subject of web-app-on-dart, my personal site is written in dart (and the 'platform', as some people would call it, is open source for that matter if someone wants to use it or contribute).