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Disclaimer: There is so much that can go wrong administering drugs without somebody's medical background (like just getting the weight right in this case), rand
by EVdotIO 6y ago
Disclaimer: There is so much that can go wrong administering drugs without somebody's medical background (like just getting the weight right in this case), random variables (say ate grapefruit beforehand), or just sheer dumb misfortune. Then there is the dystopian nature of yet another layer to diffuse responsibility. This is tragic, and I hope doesn't set precedent.
All that out of the way. Why is this on here? This seems to be just run of political muckracking to reinforce the narrative of "we live in an oppressive police state". Granted, I think society can do much better. This is ABC news, and I can say with a high level of confidence, we are very likely not getting the full picture here. I'm not one to normal point out guidelines, buts here we go:
What to Submit
On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.
Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
This uptick in political content is really not doing this community a service.
- seigando 6y agoThis strikes me as falling into the 'interesting new phenomenon' category.
- mateus1 6y agoPolicemen without any medical training are injecting and murdering people with drugs. This is a disturbing (and new) phenomenon. At least for someone outside the US.
- GhostVII 6y agoThat is false, police are not injecting people with Ketamine. As the article says, paramedics are.
- JohnBooty 6y agoThis is technically true and misses the point. Police are ordering paramedics to inject it. (edit: to be clear, I am saying that yes, ordering somebody else to do it is morally equivalent to doing it yourself... if it's wrong to do it yourself, it's just as wrong to order somebody else to do it) Pointing out that the police aren't injecting it themselves is like pointing out that [insert name of murderous dictator here] didn't actually kill anybody with their own hands.
- GhostVII 6y agoThere is a huge difference between police injecting it and police ordering trained paramedics to inject it. The comment I was responding to was implying that it was dangerous for police to administer Ketamine because they are not trained, and I was saying that is not an issue since they are not the ones administering it. I don't think police should be ordering EMS to administer Ketamine, but even if they are that is far different from doing it themselves.
- vertex-four 6y agoThe decision of whether or not to administer any drug should always be in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing, and if that decision is not made by the person receiving the drug it should be made by somebody sufficiently detached from the situation so that they can make a good clinical decision as to how to medically treat the person for a condition they are suffering from. A cop who has someone in a chokehold is not sufficiently detached from the situation. You cannot say “give them ketamine” and just leave the dose up to the paramedic and call it safe.
- JshWright 6y agoPolice cannot "order" a paramedic to do anything to a patient. They can phrase it as an order, and the paramedic _should_ tell them to get stuffed, but that doesn't always happen (clearly...)
- corty 6y agoOrdering a paramedic is as criminal as doing it themselves. "Suggesting" it might be fine if the paramedics are free to say "no", but ordering using medication by non-doctors is criminal behaviour over here...
- jbnorth 6y agoYeah, I'm not exactly sure where you're getting that information. Ketamine is administered in pre-hospital settings only by paramedics. Police cannot give it nor can they order medics to do so.
- buttholesurfer 6y agoEverything is technology now. This new trend of being SJWs everywhere is quite frustrating, even as someone who supports it generally.