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The difference is, they don't then lie to the public and to Congress about it, as Apple and Tim Cook have now done.

scarface74 6y ago
So now you expect Congress to force Apple to sell you an iPad at the same price it sells to a corporation that buys 1000s? Of course Apple is going to make a deal with Amazon when Amazon can offer it another sales channel.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > So now you expect Congress to force Apple to sell you an iPad at the same price it sells to a corporation that buys 1000s? I honestly expect the congress to remove Apple powers as gatekeeper If the Apple Store is the only store for iOS devices, they have to allow any app in and let the authorities handle misbehaviour Apple is not a National State, so it shouldn't act as the ruler and dictator of the State. I expect congress to force Apple to remove control over what's inside the box. If I buy a product on Amazon when I open the box I can find a lot of promotional material put there by the manufacturer and sometimes even discount codes for affiliated businesses or coupons for other online stores, Amazon can't tell them to remove it or go elsewhere Apple should allow promoting the product inside the apps as well That's what I expect from the country that sell itself as the land of the free (and champion of free market)
  - scarface74 6y ago
    I honestly expect the congress to remove Apple powers as gatekeeper So you expect the same government that passed DMCA, COPPA, that is trying to get rid of end to end encryption, did the things that came out via Snowden, warranties wiretaps, buying location data from carriers, dismantled net neutrality, etc. to actually not do something malicious with more power and control? If the Apple Store is the only store for iOS devices, they have to allow any app in and let the authorities handle misbehaviour So Apple should have allowed the Facebook VPN so that spied on users? You really want the government controlling which apps can go on your phone? Have you been paying attention to the government over the past two decades? You really want to give it more power? That's what I expect from the country that sell itself as the land of the free (and champion of free market) So more government control is your definition of a free market?
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > So you expect the same government that passed DMCA, COPPA are you familiar with the concept of "non sequitur"? are you obsessed with those topics? You keep posting them over and over, are you ok? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245096 > You really want the government controlling which apps can go on your phone? at least I can vote for politics can I vote for the Apple board of directors? > So more government control is your definition of a free market? Fair regulation is, yes. There is no free unregulated market. Regulation is a government duty. BUT as someone else already told to you "I'm unsure how [...] it is related to any of that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245153 p.s.: is a Nobel laureate in economic science good enough to explain you why the faith in unregulated free markets is silly? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/upshot/faith-in-an-unregulated-free-market-dont-fall-for-it.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/upshot/faith-in-an-unregu...
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    Amazon absolutely has the right to do that. As does Apple. Government forcing companies to sell other company’s products is a terrible policy and completely contrary to the free market.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > Government forcing companies to sell other company’s products is a terrible policy and completely contrary to the free market. Really? Amazon was born and is still a company that __literally__ sell other companies' products! Apple is not forced to sell other companies' products, Apple should be forced to not block them from distributing freely the software users want. The point is exactly that they shouldn't be selling other companies' products (apps) but the companies making the apps should be selling them, the way they please.

So now you expect Congress to force Apple to sell you an iPad at the same price it sells to a corporation that buys 1000s? Of course Apple is going to make a deal with Amazon when Amazon can offer it another sales channel.

romanoderoma 6y ago
> So now you expect Congress to force Apple to sell you an iPad at the same price it sells to a corporation that buys 1000s? I honestly expect the congress to remove Apple powers as gatekeeper If the Apple Store is the only store for iOS devices, they have to allow any app in and let the authorities handle misbehaviour Apple is not a National State, so it shouldn't act as the ruler and dictator of the State. I expect congress to force Apple to remove control over what's inside the box. If I buy a product on Amazon when I open the box I can find a lot of promotional material put there by the manufacturer and sometimes even discount codes for affiliated businesses or coupons for other online stores, Amazon can't tell them to remove it or go elsewhere Apple should allow promoting the product inside the apps as well That's what I expect from the country that sell itself as the land of the free (and champion of free market)
- scarface74 6y ago
  I honestly expect the congress to remove Apple powers as gatekeeper So you expect the same government that passed DMCA, COPPA, that is trying to get rid of end to end encryption, did the things that came out via Snowden, warranties wiretaps, buying location data from carriers, dismantled net neutrality, etc. to actually not do something malicious with more power and control? If the Apple Store is the only store for iOS devices, they have to allow any app in and let the authorities handle misbehaviour So Apple should have allowed the Facebook VPN so that spied on users? You really want the government controlling which apps can go on your phone? Have you been paying attention to the government over the past two decades? You really want to give it more power? That's what I expect from the country that sell itself as the land of the free (and champion of free market) So more government control is your definition of a free market?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > So you expect the same government that passed DMCA, COPPA are you familiar with the concept of "non sequitur"? are you obsessed with those topics? You keep posting them over and over, are you ok? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245096 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245096 > You really want the government controlling which apps can go on your phone? at least I can vote for politics can I vote for the Apple board of directors? > So more government control is your definition of a free market? Fair regulation is, yes. There is no free unregulated market. Regulation is a government duty. BUT as someone else already told to you "I'm unsure how [...] it is related to any of that." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245153 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24245153 p.s.: is a Nobel laureate in economic science good enough to explain you why the faith in unregulated free markets is silly? https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/upshot/faith-in-an-unregulated-free-market-dont-fall-for-it.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/11/upshot/faith-in-an-unregu...
- parasubvert 6y ago
  Amazon absolutely has the right to do that. As does Apple. Government forcing companies to sell other company’s products is a terrible policy and completely contrary to the free market.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > Government forcing companies to sell other company’s products is a terrible policy and completely contrary to the free market. Really? Amazon was born and is still a company that __literally__ sell other companies' products! Apple is not forced to sell other companies' products, Apple should be forced to not block them from distributing freely the software users want. The point is exactly that they shouldn't be selling other companies' products (apps) but the companies making the apps should be selling them, the way they please.