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That’s worldwide. Nobody wants cheap Android devices in the US. That is how monopolies work. You don’t need 50% market share to be a monopoly, but having that

That’s worldwide. Nobody wants cheap Android devices in the US. That is how monopolies work. You don’t need 50% market share to be a monopoly, but having that certainly grants you monopoly power. Here's an example of 2 things that Apple can currently do, straight from justice.gov: "Market power and monopoly power are related but not the same. The Supreme Court has defined market power as "the ability to raise prices above those that would be charged in a competitive market,"(8) and monopoly power as "the power to control prices or exclude competition."(9)" [1] You can't have a very successful app business without being in Apple's app store in the US, which would exclude you from half the population. [1] https://www.justice.gov/atr/competition-and-monopoly-single-firm-conduct-under-section-2-sherman-act-chapter-2 https://www.justice.gov/atr/competition-and-monopoly-single-...

scarface74 6y ago
That’s worldwide. Nobody wants cheap Android devices in the US. Have you seen the phones sold at the MVNO’s like MetroPCS, Boost Mobile, and whoever Walmart uses? You’re in a bubble if you don’t see all of the people with less income who don’t go to the major carriers. And you can quote websites, but is there precedent in the last 50 years that the government has ever gone after a company with 50% market share?
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  And those MVNOs also sell older models of iPhones, which would seem to contradict the root assertion that Apple is only chasing market growth by selling luxury phones, and not also seeking to gain customers who buy last year's (or earlier's) iPhone.
nodamage 6y ago
Your own link says: The Department is not aware, however, of any court that has found that a defendant possessed monopoly power when its market share was less than fifty percent.(30) Thus, as a practical matter, a market share of greater than fifty percent has been necessary for courts to find the existence of monopoly power.(31) Apple currently has 46% market share in the smartphone market (https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh...) and is below this threshold.
- wayneftw 6y ago
  You don’t technically need 50% though. Anything can happen here. Also those numbers you linked to are quarterly sales, not current active users. Not sure if that makes a big difference. I’ve seen other comments saying that it’s 50% but like I said, 90% of the youth market wants an iPhone so it’s just a matter of time. If this lawsuit doesn’t get them then another one will soon.

scarface74 6y ago

That’s worldwide. Nobody wants cheap Android devices in the US. Have you seen the phones sold at the MVNO’s like MetroPCS, Boost Mobile, and whoever Walmart uses? You’re in a bubble if you don’t see all of the people with less income who don’t go to the major carriers. And you can quote websites, but is there precedent in the last 50 years that the government has ever gone after a company with 50% market share?

Apocryphon 6y ago
And those MVNOs also sell older models of iPhones, which would seem to contradict the root assertion that Apple is only chasing market growth by selling luxury phones, and not also seeking to gain customers who buy last year's (or earlier's) iPhone.

nodamage 6y ago

Your own link says: The Department is not aware, however, of any court that has found that a defendant possessed monopoly power when its market share was less than fifty percent.(30) Thus, as a practical matter, a market share of greater than fifty percent has been necessary for courts to find the existence of monopoly power.(31) Apple currently has 46% market share in the smartphone market (https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-share/ https://www.counterpointresearch.com/us-market-smartphone-sh...) and is below this threshold.

wayneftw 6y ago
You don’t technically need 50% though. Anything can happen here. Also those numbers you linked to are quarterly sales, not current active users. Not sure if that makes a big difference. I’ve seen other comments saying that it’s 50% but like I said, 90% of the youth market wants an iPhone so it’s just a matter of time. If this lawsuit doesn’t get them then another one will soon.