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> The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. The in app purchase of digital goods is a can

> The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. The in app purchase of digital goods is a can of worms on its own, but completely orthogonal to the issue at hands with Apple monopoly. I would argue that the fact that Apple forces publishers to go through in app purchase for everything related to money exchange between the publisher and the user is even worse than being a monopoly I think creating a walled garden where they are the sole ruler and dictator it's unfair, but profitting from shady practices like selling items in games that more oftne than not are played by kids, it's criminal I don't like Sony, MS, Google, Facebook, Epic etc. etc. more than Apple. Simply on this matter I think Epic is right and Apple wrong. I don't take parts with companies, only my side as a user. Killing Apple monopoly is better for the end users, full stop. > See how silly it sounds when you just arbitrarily use the term “monopoly”? It is silly to not understand context. As a thought experiment, if that bothers you, imagine if Sony handled the same way your contacts, calendars, personal data and also removed the game from your console because you bought it in an non approved market. Imagine they said it was for your own safety, because you are unable to discern good from bad, but at the same time dozen of celebrities had their private pictures and videos leaked because the Sony cloud is not as secure as they say... Would you still trust Sony?

scarface74 6y ago
I think creating a walled garden where they are the sole ruler and dictator it's unfair, but profitting from shady practices like selling items in games that more oftne than not are played by kids, it's criminal Isn’t this exactly what Epic is doing with Fortnite? Killing Apple monopoly is better for the end users, full stop. How is Apple’s “monopoly” on digital sells on its platform any different than Epic’s “monopoly” on buying digital goods on Fortnite? Could I set up a “virtual store” within Fortnite and sell “cool” dance moves? If they can make money off of selling the Carlton dance, why can’t I set up a storefront to sell the “Scarface dance” on their store? Can I resell virtual goods I buy in Fortnite? As a thought experiment, if that bothers you, imagine if Sony handled the same way your contacts, calendars, personal data and also removed the game from your console because you bought it in an non approved market. Apple didn’t remove the game from individuals devices. In fact, if you have already downloaded the game and you wipe your device, you can still redownload Fortnite from the App Store?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > Isn’t this exactly what Epic is doing with Fortnite? Isn't Apple asking for a 30% cut on that? How it is that relevant to Apple monopoly? > How is Apple’s “monopoly” on digital sells on its platform any different than Epic’s “monopoly Well, I guess that if you are a functioning adult you are able to figure out yourself the difference between a game that you can only use for playing the game and a computing platform that you can use for practically everything Of course Epic has a monopoly on Epic games, Apple has a monopoly on Apple Mail, that's how the author rights work > If they can make money off of selling the Carlton dance, why can’t I set up a storefront to sell the “Scarface dance” on their store? Sue them. Or make Apple do it. Can you guess why nobody is doing it? Because you can https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview I thought you were working for a FAANG, how did you make it without being able to do a simple search? > Apple didn’t remove the game from individuals devices Not yet. But they potentially could. And you know why they haven't removed it? Because the version available on people's phone still relies on their payment processor for in app payments.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Can you guess why nobody is doing it? Because you can https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview I still have to give Epic a cut. Why can’t I accept credit cards on the Epic platform and bypass Epic’s “walled garden”? Because the version available on people's phone still relies on their payment processor for in app payments. The version on the phone allows people to bypass Apple’s in app payment. Isn't Apple asking for a 30% cut on that? The original sin was to allow in app purchases for consumables in games to fester on iOS in the first place. I would be fine if all games had to either be paid up front or allow you to pay for levels you keep.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      > I still have to give Epic a cut. Why can’t I accept credit cards on the Epic platform and bypass Epic’s “walled garden”? Count to 10 and ask yourself the same question in front of a mirror I'm sure you'll find the right answer (Epic is not complaining that Apple takes a cut, but that the only way to ask for money to users is go through Apple store, which doesn't make Epic software, if Apple asked it only for Apple software, that would be much less of a problem)

scarface74 6y ago

I think creating a walled garden where they are the sole ruler and dictator it's unfair, but profitting from shady practices like selling items in games that more oftne than not are played by kids, it's criminal Isn’t this exactly what Epic is doing with Fortnite? Killing Apple monopoly is better for the end users, full stop. How is Apple’s “monopoly” on digital sells on its platform any different than Epic’s “monopoly” on buying digital goods on Fortnite? Could I set up a “virtual store” within Fortnite and sell “cool” dance moves? If they can make money off of selling the Carlton dance, why can’t I set up a storefront to sell the “Scarface dance” on their store? Can I resell virtual goods I buy in Fortnite? As a thought experiment, if that bothers you, imagine if Sony handled the same way your contacts, calendars, personal data and also removed the game from your console because you bought it in an non approved market. Apple didn’t remove the game from individuals devices. In fact, if you have already downloaded the game and you wipe your device, you can still redownload Fortnite from the App Store?

romanoderoma 6y ago
> Isn’t this exactly what Epic is doing with Fortnite? Isn't Apple asking for a 30% cut on that? How it is that relevant to Apple monopoly? > How is Apple’s “monopoly” on digital sells on its platform any different than Epic’s “monopoly Well, I guess that if you are a functioning adult you are able to figure out yourself the difference between a game that you can only use for playing the game and a computing platform that you can use for practically everything Of course Epic has a monopoly on Epic games, Apple has a monopoly on Apple Mail, that's how the author rights work > If they can make money off of selling the Carlton dance, why can’t I set up a storefront to sell the “Scarface dance” on their store? Sue them. Or make Apple do it. Can you guess why nobody is doing it? Because you can https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview I thought you were working for a FAANG, how did you make it without being able to do a simple search? > Apple didn’t remove the game from individuals devices Not yet. But they potentially could. And you know why they haven't removed it? Because the version available on people's phone still relies on their payment processor for in app payments.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Can you guess why nobody is doing it? Because you can https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview https://www.epicgames.com/affiliate/en-US/overview I still have to give Epic a cut. Why can’t I accept credit cards on the Epic platform and bypass Epic’s “walled garden”? Because the version available on people's phone still relies on their payment processor for in app payments. The version on the phone allows people to bypass Apple’s in app payment. Isn't Apple asking for a 30% cut on that? The original sin was to allow in app purchases for consumables in games to fester on iOS in the first place. I would be fine if all games had to either be paid up front or allow you to pay for levels you keep.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > I still have to give Epic a cut. Why can’t I accept credit cards on the Epic platform and bypass Epic’s “walled garden”? Count to 10 and ask yourself the same question in front of a mirror I'm sure you'll find the right answer (Epic is not complaining that Apple takes a cut, but that the only way to ask for money to users is go through Apple store, which doesn't make Epic software, if Apple asked it only for Apple software, that would be much less of a problem)