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Will pull up the quote I remember, but a few additional examples showing it is by design beginning early last decade. And well known what the effects are, and i

Will pull up the quote I remember, but a few additional examples showing it is by design beginning early last decade. And well known what the effects are, and it's intentional to win elections. From 2012: > House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R), who said even more clearly in a 2012 speech that voter ID would help Romney carry his state. > "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done," Turzai said while listing his legislature's accomplishments. From 2016: > "We battled to get voter ID on the ballot for the November '16 election," Schimel told conservative host Vicki McKenna on WISN (1130 AM) on Thursday. >"How many of your listeners really honestly are sure that Senator (Ron) Johnson was going to win re-election or President Trump was going to win Wisconsin if we didn’t have voter ID to keep Wisconsin’s elections clean and honest and have integrity?" It is well established that voter ID is not preventing any form of widespread in person voter fraud because there is essentially none. Even the president's own commission couldn't find anything of note. But it is extremely effective at suppressing voting of certain groups. For example Texas where valid forms of Id were military Id and concealed carry permits (thinks more likely held by republicans), but invalid forms were state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs (things more likely to be held by those voting democratic). From prior studies voter roll purges like Crosscheck, eliminate 200 false positives from voter rolls for every 1 true positive. So instead of stopping it, it was rolled out nation wide.[3] Or just check out wikipedia.[4] [1] https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/attorney-general-brad-schimel-suggests-donald-trump-won-wisconsin-because-states-voter-id-law/514628002/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/atto... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/republicans-should-really-stop-admitting-that-voter-id-helps-them-win/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/re... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-anti-voter-fraud-program-gets-it-wrong-over-99-of-the-time-the-gop-wants-to-take-it-nationwide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_Unite...

defertoreptar 6y ago
I understand that you equate voter ID with voter suppression. However, when you say someone's "on the record," you ought to use their own words. Those politicians went on the record for supporting voter ID.
- rfw300 6y ago
  I suppose if you want to give them credit for dogwhistling rather than just saying it straight up, that’s one thing. But in the face of such thoroughly established research about the low incidence of voter fraud, one is left with the conclusion that those still hawking the theory are either deluded or malicious.
  - refurb 6y ago
    I love the term "dogwhistle". It basically translates into "even though you didn't say X, I know you actually meant X". Absurd. Maybe we should just call it "mind-reading"?
AlgorithmicTime 6y ago
Yeah, what he's saying is that preventing ineligible people from voting will mean Romney will win. Do you have a problem with only eligible voters voting?
syshum 6y ago
For an ID to be used for voting in most states it has to have the following info Name Address Photo And critically an EXPIRATION DATE Texas Handgun licenses has all 4, University ID's and Employee ID's lack an expiration date thus are not elibible as a valid form of ID That is not Voter Suppression Further if you happen to not have one of the 7 Accepted forms of ID (which is unlikely given all the different circumstances that a person needs to have one of these to get a job, open a bank account, fly on a plane, rent an apartment or 1000's of other thing that you need an ID for) the State of Texas Also allows you to fill out a declaration of why you do not have said ID, and use a Utility Bill, Bank Statement, Government Check, PayCheck or Birth Certificate to vote. [1] This hardly sounds like an unreasonable burden to vote [1]https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/id/poster-11x17-aw-voter.pdf https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/id/poster-11x17-...
- esarbe 6y ago
  It is voter suppression if it makes voting significantly harder for certain subsets of the population. Voter id laws tend to disenfranchise poor people.
  - syshum 6y ago
    This always seems like a Red Herring. In what way does is "disenfranchise poor people", the ID's are Free, most states the locations to obtain said ID are widely distributed and no harder to get to than a grocery store or any other store, and in the event there is an actual reason one could not get one then there are alternatives to the official ID that can be used Seems to me the only disenfranchisement is people that can not legally vote in the first place
    - esarbe 6y ago
      Just by the pure fact that you have to invest time and effort to get the necessary documentation, voter ID laws introduce another barrier that will disproportionately affect poor people that might not have the option of just not going to work for half a day to clear the necessary bureaucratic hurdles. If you want voter IDs; that's fine. And if you can really just walk to any grocery and get a voter ID, that's fine too. But let's take Iowa's planned voter ID law of 2007 as an example; this requires a drivers license or a passport or a US birth certificate. If you don't have such documentation (and surprise; poor people are more often lacking such documentation) then you have to invest time and effort. You seem to think that voter impersonation seems to be a problem. It has been shown that this is not the case[0]. So, what problem exactly are voter IDs supposed to solve? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation

defertoreptar 6y ago

I understand that you equate voter ID with voter suppression. However, when you say someone's "on the record," you ought to use their own words. Those politicians went on the record for supporting voter ID.

rfw300 6y ago
I suppose if you want to give them credit for dogwhistling rather than just saying it straight up, that’s one thing. But in the face of such thoroughly established research about the low incidence of voter fraud, one is left with the conclusion that those still hawking the theory are either deluded or malicious.
- refurb 6y ago
  I love the term "dogwhistle". It basically translates into "even though you didn't say X, I know you actually meant X". Absurd. Maybe we should just call it "mind-reading"?

AlgorithmicTime 6y ago

Yeah, what he's saying is that preventing ineligible people from voting will mean Romney will win. Do you have a problem with only eligible voters voting?

syshum 6y ago

For an ID to be used for voting in most states it has to have the following info Name Address Photo And critically an EXPIRATION DATE Texas Handgun licenses has all 4, University ID's and Employee ID's lack an expiration date thus are not elibible as a valid form of ID That is not Voter Suppression Further if you happen to not have one of the 7 Accepted forms of ID (which is unlikely given all the different circumstances that a person needs to have one of these to get a job, open a bank account, fly on a plane, rent an apartment or 1000's of other thing that you need an ID for) the State of Texas Also allows you to fill out a declaration of why you do not have said ID, and use a Utility Bill, Bank Statement, Government Check, PayCheck or Birth Certificate to vote. [1] This hardly sounds like an unreasonable burden to vote [1]https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/id/poster-11x17-aw-voter.pdf https://www.sos.state.tx.us/elections/forms/id/poster-11x17-...

esarbe 6y ago
It is voter suppression if it makes voting significantly harder for certain subsets of the population. Voter id laws tend to disenfranchise poor people.
- syshum 6y ago
  This always seems like a Red Herring. In what way does is "disenfranchise poor people", the ID's are Free, most states the locations to obtain said ID are widely distributed and no harder to get to than a grocery store or any other store, and in the event there is an actual reason one could not get one then there are alternatives to the official ID that can be used Seems to me the only disenfranchisement is people that can not legally vote in the first place
  - esarbe 6y ago
    Just by the pure fact that you have to invest time and effort to get the necessary documentation, voter ID laws introduce another barrier that will disproportionately affect poor people that might not have the option of just not going to work for half a day to clear the necessary bureaucratic hurdles. If you want voter IDs; that's fine. And if you can really just walk to any grocery and get a voter ID, that's fine too. But let's take Iowa's planned voter ID law of 2007 as an example; this requires a drivers license or a passport or a US birth certificate. If you don't have such documentation (and surprise; poor people are more often lacking such documentation) then you have to invest time and effort. You seem to think that voter impersonation seems to be a problem. It has been shown that this is not the case[0]. So, what problem exactly are voter IDs supposed to solve? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_impersonation