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As a side note: isn't ChromeOS a safer alternative to macOS in 2020[1]? [1] https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/security-overview https

by krn 6y ago

As a side note: isn't ChromeOS a safer alternative to macOS in 2020[1]? [1] https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/security-overview https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/...

jmnicolas 6y ago
Afaik ChromeOS phones home to Google, so if Google is among your threat model (privacy) it's not good. Las time I checked, installing ChromiumOS wasn't easy and i'm not even sure there's a "ungoogled" version like there is for the Chromium web browser.
- krn 6y ago
  I meant, ChromeOS migth be a more secure, not necessarily a more private option. If macOS had a way higher likehood of zero-day attacks, ChromeOS phoning home wouldn't be the biggest concern to most users. Because in the first case the threat would be the entire world, and in the second case – only the US government.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > and in the second case – only the US government. And some percentage of Google employees. Probably not really a big deal, but still there.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    Secure is a very vague word, I think you're looking for "less hackable by hostile actors" then definitely chromeOS has a smaller footprint.
- extra88 6y ago
  I don’t know how ungoogled it is but it’s pretty damn easy to install CloudReady from Neverware.
  - harpratap 6y ago
    It didn't work with my Ryzen laptop the last time I tried sadly
    - krn 6y ago
      Neverware provides a list of officially supported devices[1], and AMD Ryzen support could arrive with Pixelbook 2[2]. [1] https://guide.neverware.com/supported-devices/ https://guide.neverware.com/supported-devices/ [2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-evidence-that-Google-is-developing-a-new-AMD-powered-2-in-1-Pixelbook-hits-Geekbench.459719.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-evidence-that-Google-is-d...
- sneak 6y ago
  macOS now presently phones home to Apple on every novel binary execution, too, as I understand it. It is also super chatty to the mothership even with iCloud and all updates disabled.
- riquito 6y ago
  > Las time I checked, installing ChromiumOS wasn't easy Honestly, compared to installing MacOS, neither is easy
sneak 6y ago
In some ways, yes, but they’re about equal if administered/managed properly.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
Probably from a pure safety perspective, however since a lot of your life is uploaded to google I'd rather deal with apple. I've used them for years with zero problems other than 1 HD crash, but I always back up my data so that's never an issue. If you're really worried install dockers and use limited user accounts to run apps. There's always a way.

by krn 6y ago

jmnicolas 6y ago

Afaik ChromeOS phones home to Google, so if Google is among your threat model (privacy) it's not good. Las time I checked, installing ChromiumOS wasn't easy and i'm not even sure there's a "ungoogled" version like there is for the Chromium web browser.

krn 6y ago
I meant, ChromeOS migth be a more secure, not necessarily a more private option. If macOS had a way higher likehood of zero-day attacks, ChromeOS phoning home wouldn't be the biggest concern to most users. Because in the first case the threat would be the entire world, and in the second case – only the US government.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > and in the second case – only the US government. And some percentage of Google employees. Probably not really a big deal, but still there.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Secure is a very vague word, I think you're looking for "less hackable by hostile actors" then definitely chromeOS has a smaller footprint.
extra88 6y ago
I don’t know how ungoogled it is but it’s pretty damn easy to install CloudReady from Neverware.
- harpratap 6y ago
  It didn't work with my Ryzen laptop the last time I tried sadly
  - krn 6y ago
    Neverware provides a list of officially supported devices[1], and AMD Ryzen support could arrive with Pixelbook 2[2]. [1] https://guide.neverware.com/supported-devices/ https://guide.neverware.com/supported-devices/ [2] https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-evidence-that-Google-is-developing-a-new-AMD-powered-2-in-1-Pixelbook-hits-Geekbench.459719.0.html https://www.notebookcheck.net/More-evidence-that-Google-is-d...
sneak 6y ago
macOS now presently phones home to Apple on every novel binary execution, too, as I understand it. It is also super chatty to the mothership even with iCloud and all updates disabled.
riquito 6y ago
> Las time I checked, installing ChromiumOS wasn't easy Honestly, compared to installing MacOS, neither is easy

sneak 6y ago

In some ways, yes, but they’re about equal if administered/managed properly.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

Probably from a pure safety perspective, however since a lot of your life is uploaded to google I'd rather deal with apple. I've used them for years with zero problems other than 1 HD crash, but I always back up my data so that's never an issue. If you're really worried install dockers and use limited user accounts to run apps. There's always a way.