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I don't understand how various governments cannot simply seize the domain at the registrar level? Why chase them around the world through VPN providers if you

I don't understand how various governments cannot simply seize the domain at the registrar level? Why chase them around the world through VPN providers if you can cut them off at the knees?

teddyh 6y ago
piratebayztemzmv.onion
McDyver 6y ago
This issue is due to copyright claims being enforced by Rights Alliance on behalf of big studios. The Pirate Bay has a different view on copyright, file sharing and civil liberties. This different in points of view is mainly ideological or political. Governments and political views _should_ stay out of internet management, otherwise the remaining independence will be gone very soon
wongarsu 6y ago
It appears like actual court orders to force registrars to take down domains are hard to come by in Canada (where the registrar is incorperated), and their registrar famously refuses to take down domains just because someone writes a sternly worded letter asking for it [1] Plenty of countries block or blocked the domain at ISP level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyDNS#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyDNS#Controversies
salawat 6y ago
Furthermore, DNS isn't necessary. From the inception of computer networking, it has only ever been a usability and discovery aid, that has arguably introduced more centralized control mechanisms than anyone intended. If you think TPB is hard to legally pin down now, I can't wait to see the come-to-Jesus moment when authorities (in the U.S. in particular) have to come to terms with "the Pirate Bay" being nothing more than a nominative signpost passed between users, and the entity merely existing as a set of services popping up for a while on one IP address or another, with news of transfers spread by word of mouth, and someone has the chutzpah to challenge enforcement on free speech grounds. This is why this Pirate Bay crusade is a losing gambit. Everyone isn't going to start using the abusive service providers in town just because you shut down one tunnel or branch of the local speakeasy. Squash one, another pops up, because information wants to be free. You've already got private trackers that are very particular about the people they support, and actively forbid easy onboarding in order to keep the edifice from being trivially subverted by adversaries. The natural state of human beings is change from the now to the ideal. Content creation companies are guilty of demanding the overly ambitious carve outs that lead to things like TPB existing at all. Get things more reasonable, and work on being better at making content on demand quickly accessible and cross-referenceable and you have a service that people will generally pay for either straight up, or by other means such as time and awareness. Clamp down on information dissemination, and watch as the castle sinks as the sand that would otherwise buoy it up screw off elsewhere where artificially barriers to getting things done aren't erected.

I don't understand how various governments cannot simply seize the domain at the registrar level? Why chase them around the world through VPN providers if you can cut them off at the knees?

teddyh 6y ago

piratebayztemzmv.onion

McDyver 6y ago

This issue is due to copyright claims being enforced by Rights Alliance on behalf of big studios. The Pirate Bay has a different view on copyright, file sharing and civil liberties. This different in points of view is mainly ideological or political. Governments and political views _should_ stay out of internet management, otherwise the remaining independence will be gone very soon

wongarsu 6y ago

It appears like actual court orders to force registrars to take down domains are hard to come by in Canada (where the registrar is incorperated), and their registrar famously refuses to take down domains just because someone writes a sternly worded letter asking for it [1] Plenty of countries block or blocked the domain at ISP level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyDNS#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EasyDNS#Controversies

salawat 6y ago

Furthermore, DNS isn't necessary. From the inception of computer networking, it has only ever been a usability and discovery aid, that has arguably introduced more centralized control mechanisms than anyone intended. If you think TPB is hard to legally pin down now, I can't wait to see the come-to-Jesus moment when authorities (in the U.S. in particular) have to come to terms with "the Pirate Bay" being nothing more than a nominative signpost passed between users, and the entity merely existing as a set of services popping up for a while on one IP address or another, with news of transfers spread by word of mouth, and someone has the chutzpah to challenge enforcement on free speech grounds. This is why this Pirate Bay crusade is a losing gambit. Everyone isn't going to start using the abusive service providers in town just because you shut down one tunnel or branch of the local speakeasy. Squash one, another pops up, because information wants to be free. You've already got private trackers that are very particular about the people they support, and actively forbid easy onboarding in order to keep the edifice from being trivially subverted by adversaries. The natural state of human beings is change from the now to the ideal. Content creation companies are guilty of demanding the overly ambitious carve outs that lead to things like TPB existing at all. Get things more reasonable, and work on being better at making content on demand quickly accessible and cross-referenceable and you have a service that people will generally pay for either straight up, or by other means such as time and awareness. Clamp down on information dissemination, and watch as the castle sinks as the sand that would otherwise buoy it up screw off elsewhere where artificially barriers to getting things done aren't erected.