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"‘It was great’: In leaked audio, Trump hailed low Black turnout in 2016": https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https

"‘It was great’: In leaked audio, Trump hailed low Black turnout in 2016": https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-...

jl6 6y ago
The full quote: “"Many Blacks didn’t go out to vote for Hillary ‘cause they liked me. That was almost as good as getting the vote, you know, and it was great,” the president-elect said, according to an audio recording of the meeting shared with POLITICO.” This is Trump making an assertion about the possible motives of non-voters. It is not at all a smoking-gun admission of voter suppression. I’m sympathetic to the idea that voter suppression is a predominantly Republican strategy, as there does seem to be plenty of circumstantial evidence for it, but declaring a slam-dunk proof “on record” like in the GP post is overstating the evidence and ultimately harms their cause as it makes them look untrustworthy. (That is, unless there is some better evidence for the claim than the link above!)
- matthewdgreen 6y ago
  It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. That standard seems almost tailor-made to make it impossible to react to harmful behavior, or to perform any sort of nuanced analysis that can't be encapsulated into a single quote on HN.
  - jl6 6y ago
    I don’t really demand such a quote, I’m just reacting to the original poster claiming such a quote exists.
    - matthewdgreen 6y ago
      Why not Google, instead of demanding that the OP do research for you? I don't know what quote the OP was referring to, but a couple of searches turn up dozens of quotes from Trump, Trump advisors, and major Republican operatives that might fit the bill. The problem is that they might not fit your bill -- which is really why you should be the one doing the Googling, rather than having someone hunt down quotes so you can reject them. The first two results that popped up (there are dozens of others): https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republ...
  - refurb 6y ago
    It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. I think that's called "being honest".

jl6 6y ago

The full quote: “"Many Blacks didn’t go out to vote for Hillary ‘cause they liked me. That was almost as good as getting the vote, you know, and it was great,” the president-elect said, according to an audio recording of the meeting shared with POLITICO.” This is Trump making an assertion about the possible motives of non-voters. It is not at all a smoking-gun admission of voter suppression. I’m sympathetic to the idea that voter suppression is a predominantly Republican strategy, as there does seem to be plenty of circumstantial evidence for it, but declaring a slam-dunk proof “on record” like in the GP post is overstating the evidence and ultimately harms their cause as it makes them look untrustworthy. (That is, unless there is some better evidence for the claim than the link above!)

matthewdgreen 6y ago
It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. That standard seems almost tailor-made to make it impossible to react to harmful behavior, or to perform any sort of nuanced analysis that can't be encapsulated into a single quote on HN.
- jl6 6y ago
  I don’t really demand such a quote, I’m just reacting to the original poster claiming such a quote exists.
  - matthewdgreen 6y ago
    Why not Google, instead of demanding that the OP do research for you? I don't know what quote the OP was referring to, but a couple of searches turn up dozens of quotes from Trump, Trump advisors, and major Republican operatives that might fit the bill. The problem is that they might not fit your bill -- which is really why you should be the one doing the Googling, rather than having someone hunt down quotes so you can reject them. The first two results that popped up (there are dozens of others): https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republ...
- refurb 6y ago
  It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. I think that's called "being honest".