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> on record as saying that their own successful efforts in voter suppression last election won them the rust belt and as a result the presidency Do you have a

by jl6 6y ago

> on record as saying that their own successful efforts in voter suppression last election won them the rust belt and as a result the presidency Do you have a link to the record where that party says this?

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
"‘It was great’: In leaked audio, Trump hailed low Black turnout in 2016": https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-...
- jl6 6y ago
  The full quote: “"Many Blacks didn’t go out to vote for Hillary ‘cause they liked me. That was almost as good as getting the vote, you know, and it was great,” the president-elect said, according to an audio recording of the meeting shared with POLITICO.” This is Trump making an assertion about the possible motives of non-voters. It is not at all a smoking-gun admission of voter suppression. I’m sympathetic to the idea that voter suppression is a predominantly Republican strategy, as there does seem to be plenty of circumstantial evidence for it, but declaring a slam-dunk proof “on record” like in the GP post is overstating the evidence and ultimately harms their cause as it makes them look untrustworthy. (That is, unless there is some better evidence for the claim than the link above!)
  - matthewdgreen 6y ago
    It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. That standard seems almost tailor-made to make it impossible to react to harmful behavior, or to perform any sort of nuanced analysis that can't be encapsulated into a single quote on HN.
    - jl6 6y ago
      I don’t really demand such a quote, I’m just reacting to the original poster claiming such a quote exists.
      - matthewdgreen 6y ago
        Why not Google, instead of demanding that the OP do research for you? I don't know what quote the OP was referring to, but a couple of searches turn up dozens of quotes from Trump, Trump advisors, and major Republican operatives that might fit the bill. The problem is that they might not fit your bill -- which is really why you should be the one doing the Googling, rather than having someone hunt down quotes so you can reject them. The first two results that popped up (there are dozens of others): https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republ...
    - refurb 6y ago
      It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. I think that's called "being honest".
BoiledCabbage 6y ago
Will pull up the quote I remember, but a few additional examples showing it is by design beginning early last decade. And well known what the effects are, and it's intentional to win elections. From 2012: > House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R), who said even more clearly in a 2012 speech that voter ID would help Romney carry his state. > "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done," Turzai said while listing his legislature's accomplishments. From 2016: > "We battled to get voter ID on the ballot for the November '16 election," Schimel told conservative host Vicki McKenna on WISN (1130 AM) on Thursday. >"How many of your listeners really honestly are sure that Senator (Ron) Johnson was going to win re-election or President Trump was going to win Wisconsin if we didn’t have voter ID to keep Wisconsin’s elections clean and honest and have integrity?" It is well established that voter ID is not preventing any form of widespread in person voter fraud because there is essentially none. Even the president's own commission couldn't find anything of note. But it is extremely effective at suppressing voting of certain groups. For example Texas where valid forms of Id were military Id and concealed carry permits (thinks more likely held by republicans), but invalid forms were state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs (things more likely to be held by those voting democratic). From prior studies voter roll purges like Crosscheck, eliminate 200 false positives from voter rolls for every 1 true positive. So instead of stopping it, it was rolled out nation wide.[3] Or just check out wikipedia.[4] [1] https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/attorney-general-brad-schimel-suggests-donald-trump-won-wisconsin-because-states-voter-id-law/514628002/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/atto... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/republicans-should-really-stop-admitting-that-voter-id-helps-them-win/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/re... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-anti-voter-fraud-program-gets-it-wrong-over-99-of-the-time-the-gop-wants-to-take-it-nationwide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_Unite...
- defertoreptar 6y ago
  I understand that you equate voter ID with voter suppression. However, when you say someone's "on the record," you ought to use their own words. Those politicians went on the record for supporting voter ID.
dillondoyle 6y ago
Trump is really good at saying the quiet part out-loud - even if indirectly. Just today leaked quote from 2016 about lower black turnout. "The president acknowledged in a 2017 meeting with civil rights leaders that he benefited from Black voters staying home." Combined with Trump campaign's deliberate (they bragged about it in the press) paid media to convinced AfAm voters to sit the election out it's pretty damning. Might not be as direct a quote as you're looking for but it's literally the first off the top of my head, from today only! Another good recent one is a lot of vote-by-mail quotes from Trump. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-... https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/13434246/donald-trump-targeted-dark-facebook-ads-black-voters https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/13434246/donald-trump-ta... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-vot...
- refurb 6y ago
  "The president acknowledged in a 2017 meeting with civil rights leaders that he benefited from Black voters staying home." That says nothing about voter suppression.
  - dillondoyle 6y ago
    It's 100% voter suppression - they bragged about running targeted Facebook ads to AfAm voters to get them not to vote. Literal suppression

by jl6 6y ago

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago

"‘It was great’: In leaked audio, Trump hailed low Black turnout in 2016": https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-...

jl6 6y ago
The full quote: “"Many Blacks didn’t go out to vote for Hillary ‘cause they liked me. That was almost as good as getting the vote, you know, and it was great,” the president-elect said, according to an audio recording of the meeting shared with POLITICO.” This is Trump making an assertion about the possible motives of non-voters. It is not at all a smoking-gun admission of voter suppression. I’m sympathetic to the idea that voter suppression is a predominantly Republican strategy, as there does seem to be plenty of circumstantial evidence for it, but declaring a slam-dunk proof “on record” like in the GP post is overstating the evidence and ultimately harms their cause as it makes them look untrustworthy. (That is, unless there is some better evidence for the claim than the link above!)
- matthewdgreen 6y ago
  It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. That standard seems almost tailor-made to make it impossible to react to harmful behavior, or to perform any sort of nuanced analysis that can't be encapsulated into a single quote on HN.
  - jl6 6y ago
    I don’t really demand such a quote, I’m just reacting to the original poster claiming such a quote exists.
    - matthewdgreen 6y ago
      Why not Google, instead of demanding that the OP do research for you? I don't know what quote the OP was referring to, but a couple of searches turn up dozens of quotes from Trump, Trump advisors, and major Republican operatives that might fit the bill. The problem is that they might not fit your bill -- which is really why you should be the one doing the Googling, rather than having someone hunt down quotes so you can reject them. The first two results that popped up (there are dozens of others): https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-republicans-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-audio-trump-adviser-r... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republ...
  - refurb 6y ago
    It's weird to admit you believe that something is occurring based on analysis of the situation, but to still demand an explicit single quoted admission of unsavory behavior. I think that's called "being honest".

BoiledCabbage 6y ago

Will pull up the quote I remember, but a few additional examples showing it is by design beginning early last decade. And well known what the effects are, and it's intentional to win elections. From 2012: > House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R), who said even more clearly in a 2012 speech that voter ID would help Romney carry his state. > "Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania: done," Turzai said while listing his legislature's accomplishments. From 2016: > "We battled to get voter ID on the ballot for the November '16 election," Schimel told conservative host Vicki McKenna on WISN (1130 AM) on Thursday. >"How many of your listeners really honestly are sure that Senator (Ron) Johnson was going to win re-election or President Trump was going to win Wisconsin if we didn’t have voter ID to keep Wisconsin’s elections clean and honest and have integrity?" It is well established that voter ID is not preventing any form of widespread in person voter fraud because there is essentially none. Even the president's own commission couldn't find anything of note. But it is extremely effective at suppressing voting of certain groups. For example Texas where valid forms of Id were military Id and concealed carry permits (thinks more likely held by republicans), but invalid forms were state employee photo IDs and university photo IDs (things more likely to be held by those voting democratic). From prior studies voter roll purges like Crosscheck, eliminate 200 false positives from voter rolls for every 1 true positive. So instead of stopping it, it was rolled out nation wide.[3] Or just check out wikipedia.[4] [1] https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/attorney-general-brad-schimel-suggests-donald-trump-won-wisconsin-because-states-voter-id-law/514628002/ https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/13/atto... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/republicans-should-really-stop-admitting-that-voter-id-helps-them-win/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/07/re... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-anti-voter-fraud-program-gets-it-wrong-over-99-of-the-time-the-gop-wants-to-take-it-nationwide/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/20/this-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_Unite...

defertoreptar 6y ago
I understand that you equate voter ID with voter suppression. However, when you say someone's "on the record," you ought to use their own words. Those politicians went on the record for supporting voter ID.

dillondoyle 6y ago

Trump is really good at saying the quiet part out-loud - even if indirectly. Just today leaked quote from 2016 about lower black turnout. "The president acknowledged in a 2017 meeting with civil rights leaders that he benefited from Black voters staying home." Combined with Trump campaign's deliberate (they bragged about it in the press) paid media to convinced AfAm voters to sit the election out it's pretty damning. Might not be as direct a quote as you're looking for but it's literally the first off the top of my head, from today only! Another good recent one is a lot of vote-by-mail quotes from Trump. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-turnout-2016-398520 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/21/trump-black-voters-... https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/13434246/donald-trump-targeted-dark-facebook-ads-black-voters https://www.theverge.com/2016/10/27/13434246/donald-trump-ta... https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-voting-republicans/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/03/30/trump-vot...

refurb 6y ago
"The president acknowledged in a 2017 meeting with civil rights leaders that he benefited from Black voters staying home." That says nothing about voter suppression.
- dillondoyle 6y ago
  It's 100% voter suppression - they bragged about running targeted Facebook ads to AfAm voters to get them not to vote. Literal suppression