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Seeing the debian.net domain name, I'm a bit saddened to be reminded that DotNet Core is open source, yet still not available on Debian without installing packa
by est31 6y ago
Seeing the debian.net domain name, I'm a bit saddened to be reminded that DotNet Core is open source, yet still not available on Debian without installing packages from external sources (like the deb packages MS provides):
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779970 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779970
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779969 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=779969
Right now the official install instructions want you to trust Microsoft keys and I'm not really a fan of that. Further, it installs a custom package repo and in the past I've had very negative experiences with PPAs so I tend to avoid them.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-debian#debian-10- https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-d...
- moron4hire 6y ago> Right now the official install instructions want you to trust Microsoft keys and I'm not really a fan of that. Why?
- zelly 6y agoBecause people in the SV/HN bubble hate Microsoft. Purely for cultural reasons of course (while running Facebook's Pytorch, Google's browser, Apple's laptop, etc.).
- mbreese 6y agoI think you’ll find plenty of complaints with Facebook, Google, and Apple mixed into their relevant conversations. In fact, I’m pretty sure many people on here would have issues installing a key from Facebook too. Admittedly though, it’s hard to avoid a Google or Apple key, if you’re using an OS from them...
- est31 6y agoPersonally, I'm sort of a purist so while I use Google's Android OS, I use the Lineage OS distro without gapps, which means I'm one of the few Android users without Google's keys (at least for the gapps). And yeah, I'd have issues with installing pytorch too. I tried it once, but then gave up because I couldn't ensure it wouldn't mess up my system and I mainly wanted to try out some ML stuff on Github.
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- axaxs 6y agoNot in SV. Farthest thing from it. I'm an old timer on this site, and I'll never trust MS. They got their lunch eaten and pretend to be open source friendly. They are not.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoThere is a difference between hate and "don't trust". MS has a long history of abusing open source, why should they trust them now? Why is MS always squeezing privacy abusing telemetry in their products and leaving it opt out via sometimes very obscure methods.
- est31 6y agoBecause I don't want to trust Microsoft more than I have to. It'd be the only non-distro provided keys on my computer. I would subject myself to them. Maybe in 5 years they decide that to download, you need a Microsoft account login? This weakens one of the core strengths of GNU/Linux, that every software installation is only an apt get away. Also, Debian packaging does a level of vetting that the software complies by their packaging policies, which ensures that it is truly libre. I know that Microsoft has their UEFI signing keys in all the IBM computers around the world and has signed the desktop Linux bootloaders as well, and I respect that they do this, but that's a different part of the stack. I understand that some entity needs to sign the bootloaders, and Microsoft has since shown itself to be a reasonable guardian.
- flukus 6y agoDebian will probably require someone making dotnetcorium that removes the telemetry.