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It is so very depressing. Nearly every game released by those companies is an ad riddled garbage fire. It's an affront to what makes gaming fun. They are "game

It is so very depressing. Nearly every game released by those companies is an ad riddled garbage fire. It's an affront to what makes gaming fun. They are "games" in the same sense that slot machines are "games". They aren't games in the sense that non-mobile gamers talk about.

watwut 6y ago
At least those games don't take over your complete life the way big online games. And don't lead to those playing often overnight, am addicted, am sleep deprived raging gamer situations.
- xboxnolifes 6y ago
  Idk, that sounds exactly like something mobile gacha game garbage would do, while also draining the wallets of those more prone to gambling addiction.
- belorn 6y ago
  Have you seen the hours some people put into farmville and farmville-like games? Overnight play? Checked. Addicted? Checked. Sleep deprived? Checked. Physical pain from holding the phone and looking at a small screen? Checked. Raging behavior? Mood is definitively effected, especially when the social aspect has a negative turn.
  - watwut 6y ago
    I know farmville, candy crush and the like playing people. I also know AAA online pubg, world of warcraft etc games playing people. The worst behavior I have seen definitely did not came from farmville candy crush crowd. Also, overall, steam sales seems to cost way more money I have ever seen being spent on games. And not just that, spending a lot of money on steam sales is point of pride for gamers - who ten turn around and act all superior over causual player ... spending less money (or no money) overall. > Raging behavior? Mood is definitively effected, especially when the social aspect has a negative turn. Rage and affected mood are two different things. But again, the level of anger or irritability in relation with farmville are super mild compared to what I have seen in pc/console gamers. ------------------------------ The most irritable to me is the level of hypocrisy pc/console gamers display when they complain about causual games.
    - belorn 6y ago
      Personally I have observed a person with worse farmville addiction than any pc related addiction I have personally seen. Two accounts on farmville, one on a farmville-clone, each three played at the same time competitive for top ranking, with guilds and guild drama, and candy-crush games on the side. If we are talking about spending, thankfully the above person did at least restrict themselves to <$100 per months on boosters (or at least that what they told me), but you should be aware that in-store revenue outnumber sales revenue in basically ever game regardless if its on phone or pc (not sure about console but my guess is that the same is true). There is a reason why almost every game company has shifted focus away from game sales and into in-game item sales. > Rage and affected mood are two different things. No. Mood swings because of a game is the same regardless if its short bursts or long and moody. If a person allow a game (and the social groups in it) to have lasting negative effect on their mood then that is a problem regardless what kind of game it is.
      - watwut 6y ago
        Rage as in yelling, hitting table with fist, swearing, throwing cell phone accross the room because someone called and he lost match on pc. It is absolutely different then "mood swing" which is used for range of things including mild irritability. The people I had observed having issues basically played to the point of failing school classes due to chronic sleep deprivation, had atrocious performance in work post gaming session (he talked about playi by game till morning openly) or basically checked out of family life entirely making partner basically single. Let's say that formely gaming friendly wife build up huge aversion toward games. I knew multiple of these and none of them played farmvile nor anything like that. I believe people like your friend exist, the farmville top cant be composed of people having healthy relationships and jobs. But they are not around me. Around me the worst were among pc/console players, usually people who self identified as gamers and took it as point of pride.
        belorn 6y ago
        Maybe rage is a symptom of poorly management of stress and negative emotions? Cars do not cause road rage. People who throw childish temper tantrums is not controlled by the activity, be that driving, gameing, cooking, gambling, fishing, cleaning, sports, constructing, knitting, (so far all places where I have seen rage) or what have you. Childish temper tantrums occurs in all places where people are, and especially places where people who struggle emotionally may go to, and where they might be stressed or be impacted by a negative event.
yomly 6y ago
Fair enough you say maybe but I love Clash Royale (by Supercell) and have definitely played my share of video games over the years.
hrktb 6y ago
> slot machines To note, pachinko are a widely installed business in their country. Same as medal games in game centers, there has always been a need for super simple, mindless “games”, with or without money exchanging hand at some point.
save_ferris 6y ago
> Nearly every game released by those companies is an ad riddled garbage fire. Say what you will about Fortnite, but it's definitely not an "ad riddled garbage fire". They do advertise their store offerings in the lobby, albeit in a pretty unobtrusive way. The game has essentially become a PvP Grand Theft Auto, and it's executed remarkably well. On top of that, it's free to play and has absolutely no play-to-win mechanics. All purchases are purely cosmetic. It might not be your bag, but I find this characterization of at least one game developed by a studio mentioned above to be completely inaccurate.
- zamadatix 6y ago
  I enjoy Fortnite, play it with some old colleagues most weekends. It's simple, cross platform for all of us, been around and not going away, and has several modes to mix things up with. Barrier to entry is $0 allowing any of use to play as casually as we'd like without needing to make an investment. That last point is what should hint the game is going to be pushing sales heavily. When you launch the game you get full screen ads for newly released skins you have to click past to acknowledge, entire seasons are designed and themed around marketing deals with cinematics of the new stuff and click through walkthroughs about season skins you can by. If you don't have the battle pass there is constant advertising to get it and when you do it provides enough free virtual currency to run you through the virtual store at least a couple times per year so buying the cosmetics feels familiar. So you have heavy 3rd party ads (as mentioned next season is going to be all Marvel) and heavy first part ads (in game store purchases) every time you launch the game, join a match, participate in a match, finish a match, or leave a party. Just because the ads are integrated doesn't mean it's not an ad riddled garbage fire. But overall it's a decent enough game that lets me interact with some folks who otherwise wouldn't play something so I like it. I'm just aware I'm being served ads constantly in it.

watwut 6y ago

At least those games don't take over your complete life the way big online games. And don't lead to those playing often overnight, am addicted, am sleep deprived raging gamer situations.

xboxnolifes 6y ago
Idk, that sounds exactly like something mobile gacha game garbage would do, while also draining the wallets of those more prone to gambling addiction.
belorn 6y ago
Have you seen the hours some people put into farmville and farmville-like games? Overnight play? Checked. Addicted? Checked. Sleep deprived? Checked. Physical pain from holding the phone and looking at a small screen? Checked. Raging behavior? Mood is definitively effected, especially when the social aspect has a negative turn.
- watwut 6y ago
  I know farmville, candy crush and the like playing people. I also know AAA online pubg, world of warcraft etc games playing people. The worst behavior I have seen definitely did not came from farmville candy crush crowd. Also, overall, steam sales seems to cost way more money I have ever seen being spent on games. And not just that, spending a lot of money on steam sales is point of pride for gamers - who ten turn around and act all superior over causual player ... spending less money (or no money) overall. > Raging behavior? Mood is definitively effected, especially when the social aspect has a negative turn. Rage and affected mood are two different things. But again, the level of anger or irritability in relation with farmville are super mild compared to what I have seen in pc/console gamers. ------------------------------ The most irritable to me is the level of hypocrisy pc/console gamers display when they complain about causual games.
  - belorn 6y ago
    Personally I have observed a person with worse farmville addiction than any pc related addiction I have personally seen. Two accounts on farmville, one on a farmville-clone, each three played at the same time competitive for top ranking, with guilds and guild drama, and candy-crush games on the side. If we are talking about spending, thankfully the above person did at least restrict themselves to <$100 per months on boosters (or at least that what they told me), but you should be aware that in-store revenue outnumber sales revenue in basically ever game regardless if its on phone or pc (not sure about console but my guess is that the same is true). There is a reason why almost every game company has shifted focus away from game sales and into in-game item sales. > Rage and affected mood are two different things. No. Mood swings because of a game is the same regardless if its short bursts or long and moody. If a person allow a game (and the social groups in it) to have lasting negative effect on their mood then that is a problem regardless what kind of game it is.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Rage as in yelling, hitting table with fist, swearing, throwing cell phone accross the room because someone called and he lost match on pc. It is absolutely different then "mood swing" which is used for range of things including mild irritability. The people I had observed having issues basically played to the point of failing school classes due to chronic sleep deprivation, had atrocious performance in work post gaming session (he talked about playi by game till morning openly) or basically checked out of family life entirely making partner basically single. Let's say that formely gaming friendly wife build up huge aversion toward games. I knew multiple of these and none of them played farmvile nor anything like that. I believe people like your friend exist, the farmville top cant be composed of people having healthy relationships and jobs. But they are not around me. Around me the worst were among pc/console players, usually people who self identified as gamers and took it as point of pride.
      - belorn 6y ago
        Maybe rage is a symptom of poorly management of stress and negative emotions? Cars do not cause road rage. People who throw childish temper tantrums is not controlled by the activity, be that driving, gameing, cooking, gambling, fishing, cleaning, sports, constructing, knitting, (so far all places where I have seen rage) or what have you. Childish temper tantrums occurs in all places where people are, and especially places where people who struggle emotionally may go to, and where they might be stressed or be impacted by a negative event.

yomly 6y ago

Fair enough you say maybe but I love Clash Royale (by Supercell) and have definitely played my share of video games over the years.

hrktb 6y ago

> slot machines To note, pachinko are a widely installed business in their country. Same as medal games in game centers, there has always been a need for super simple, mindless “games”, with or without money exchanging hand at some point.

save_ferris 6y ago

> Nearly every game released by those companies is an ad riddled garbage fire. Say what you will about Fortnite, but it's definitely not an "ad riddled garbage fire". They do advertise their store offerings in the lobby, albeit in a pretty unobtrusive way. The game has essentially become a PvP Grand Theft Auto, and it's executed remarkably well. On top of that, it's free to play and has absolutely no play-to-win mechanics. All purchases are purely cosmetic. It might not be your bag, but I find this characterization of at least one game developed by a studio mentioned above to be completely inaccurate.

zamadatix 6y ago
I enjoy Fortnite, play it with some old colleagues most weekends. It's simple, cross platform for all of us, been around and not going away, and has several modes to mix things up with. Barrier to entry is $0 allowing any of use to play as casually as we'd like without needing to make an investment. That last point is what should hint the game is going to be pushing sales heavily. When you launch the game you get full screen ads for newly released skins you have to click past to acknowledge, entire seasons are designed and themed around marketing deals with cinematics of the new stuff and click through walkthroughs about season skins you can by. If you don't have the battle pass there is constant advertising to get it and when you do it provides enough free virtual currency to run you through the virtual store at least a couple times per year so buying the cosmetics feels familiar. So you have heavy 3rd party ads (as mentioned next season is going to be all Marvel) and heavy first part ads (in game store purchases) every time you launch the game, join a match, participate in a match, finish a match, or leave a party. Just because the ads are integrated doesn't mean it's not an ad riddled garbage fire. But overall it's a decent enough game that lets me interact with some folks who otherwise wouldn't play something so I like it. I'm just aware I'm being served ads constantly in it.