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There has always seemed to be an antagonistic relationship between police unions and trade unions. Police unions are often disallowed membership in so-called "b
by badRNG 6y ago
There has always seemed to be an antagonistic relationship between police unions and trade unions. Police unions are often disallowed membership in so-called "big tent" unions due to their perceived past and alleged ongoing role in union-busting. Since the early 20th century, there hasn't been a meaningful reconciliation between the movements (and often, the role of police in general is perceived to be inherently antagonistic to the goals of labor activists.)
It might be worth reading about how police performed aerial bombardment and gunned down union workers during the labor movement (late 19th, early 20th centuries) in the US, notably the Battle of Blair Mountain [1]. Even though this nears over a hundred years worth of distance, the effects ripple through today.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain
- rhizome 6y agoI challenge you to find a sector of society to whom police (and their unions) are not antagonistic.
- smnrchrds 6y agoThe 1%
- jacobush 6y agoYeah, but the 0.01% is where the clout is.
- dvtrn 6y agoOther police officers
- glenda 6y agoAs long as they stay quiet about any internal issues.
- sidewndr46 6y agoI don't think you've spoken with actual police officers much, there is huge divide between state police and local police in the US.
- dvtrn 6y agoI don't think you've spoken with actual police officers much I’m sorry you think that, you’d be wrong on the assumption though.
- LoSboccacc 6y agomost society sectors that happens to be outside America
- IncRnd 6y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=police+beatings+europe&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=police+beatings+europe&sourc...
- LoSboccacc 6y agoah, lazily sourced anecdotes presented as data, pinnacle hn third image is already from 2014, not an impressive case density then, is it?
- IncRnd 6y agoThat's absurd. Your parent post said, "most society sectors that happens to be outside America". All it takes to disprove is a few examples. I showed you a search link to pages of them. Don't be lazy, blaming others for an unscientific bias in your own post is a logical fallacy.
- LoSboccacc 6y agoso one case e every four year average is enough to claim that all police is as antagonistic as USA's sure.
- IncRnd 6y agoWhy do you keep changing the subject of the discussion? First, you wrote that most police and police unions are not antagonistic towards sectors outside of the usa. Now, you wrote what is called a red-herring or a strawman. You made a very strong but incorrect statement at first. Strong statements are easy to debunk, just with a little proof. I provided a link to pages of that. It's very telling that you now characterize that as "one case every four year average". That's telling, indeed.
- Lammy 6y agoMasons? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/02/secret-handshake-police-freemasons https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/02/secret...
- eternalban 6y agoWhat a fantastic link! This era in America's history is so rich with amazing stories, yet hardly ever touched by Hollywood .. I followed Mother Jones to Industrial Workers of the World, which necessitated a visit to American Federation of Labor, which led to Knights of Labor and Terence Powderly and the Haymarket Riot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_Riot Btw, just from the logos and the titles of AFL and KoL, I got the sense that they were masonic in origin. And sure enough, per wikipedia, "[t]he Catholic Church had opposed the unions as too influenced by rituals of freemasonry. The Knights of Labor removed the words "The Holy and Noble Order of" from the name of the Knights of Labor in 1882 and abandoned any membership rituals associated with freemasonry." LOL at the hand-shaking execs in the logo of AFL. Life is truly stranger than fiction.
- bryanrasmussen 6y ago>What a fantastic link! This era in America's history is so rich with amazing stories, yet hardly ever touched by Hollywood .. I can recommend watching The Molly Maguires https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Molly_Maguires_(film) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Molly_Maguires_(film)
- eternalban 6y agoThanks!
- gorgoiler 6y agoGangs of New York is another great movie, and the second floor of the FDNY museum in SoHo is a real eye opener to the 19th century crossover between fire crews and gang culture.
- eternalban 6y agoThanks! The bit about the gangs was +interesting. Found this: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/early-19-century-firefighters-fought-fires-each-other-180960391/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/early...