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I'm not following you. I imagine that the Bing team would gladly increase their market share in exchange for the costs involved.

by Splines 16y ago

mredbord 16y ago
Of course more market share is good. But Microsoft is not purely interested in growing share with Bing; non-differentiation with Google is a good thing in and of itself. The less differentiated Microsoft is from Google, the greater perception of their platform having feature parity with Google. That way consumers are not forced to choose based on features, just ecosystem. This is a the reason that Microsoft is a fast copier of market leaders, so that everything consumers could want, on paper, is housed within their roof (and Google's). It seems counterintuitive that less differentiation would be useful, but I think it's what Microsoft is going for.
- Cossolus 16y ago
  Microsoft used to be able to "embrace and extend" in order to extinguish the competitor. With Bing it seems they can only "embrace", by which I mean copying and trying to decrease differentiation. But look at the trend. In the future, when/if Google search incorporates social feedback effects (ala +1), Bing won't even have the user-base to be able to copy the competitor, let alone extend and extinguish. One look at my website statistics tells me Bing is already as good as dead.
  - DaveMebs 16y ago
    Yeah, except Bing gets to mine Facebook and Google doesn't. Maybe that's why it has a higher success rate? http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2010/10/13/bing-gets-more-social-with-facebook.aspx http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/20... http://www.stateofsearch.com/bing-gaining-share-in-the-us-success-rate-much-higher-than-google/ http://www.stateofsearch.com/bing-gaining-share-in-the-us-su...
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  - mredbord 16y ago
    I'm not completely convinced that Bing lacks the user base to compete with Google. There are diminishing returns in user base volume after some point, and Bing has around 100mm US users[1]. I think any of us would be pleased as punch with that volume and it's not clear it's not enough to do something-social-with-search. [1] http://blog.compete.com/2011/03/16/february-2011-search-market-share-report/ http://blog.compete.com/2011/03/16/february-2011-search-mark...
brudgers 16y ago
Not necessarily, "Bing : Microsoft" is not analogous to "Google Search : Google." Bing just needs to fill a small gap in Microsoft's total product portfolio whereas Google Search is the crown jewels for Google. In other words, Bing can be a cost center for Microsoft and still contribute to the company's bottom line by contributing to increased revenues in other areas, but if Google Search starts losing money Google is in real trouble. So long a Bing provides meaningful statistical data regarding internet search,keeps Google from data mining searches performed in Redmond, and serves as a productive R&D platform it is successful for Microsoft because they do not need to generate significant revenue from advertising to be profitable.

I'm not following you. I imagine that the Bing team would gladly increase their market share in exchange for the costs involved.

by Splines 16y ago

I'm not following you. I imagine that the Bing team would gladly increase their market share in exchange for the costs involved.

mredbord 16y ago

Of course more market share is good. But Microsoft is not purely interested in growing share with Bing; non-differentiation with Google is a good thing in and of itself. The less differentiated Microsoft is from Google, the greater perception of their platform having feature parity with Google. That way consumers are not forced to choose based on features, just ecosystem. This is a the reason that Microsoft is a fast copier of market leaders, so that everything consumers could want, on paper, is housed within their roof (and Google's). It seems counterintuitive that less differentiation would be useful, but I think it's what Microsoft is going for.

Cossolus 16y ago
Microsoft used to be able to "embrace and extend" in order to extinguish the competitor. With Bing it seems they can only "embrace", by which I mean copying and trying to decrease differentiation. But look at the trend. In the future, when/if Google search incorporates social feedback effects (ala +1), Bing won't even have the user-base to be able to copy the competitor, let alone extend and extinguish. One look at my website statistics tells me Bing is already as good as dead.
- DaveMebs 16y ago
  Yeah, except Bing gets to mine Facebook and Google doesn't. Maybe that's why it has a higher success rate? http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/2010/10/13/bing-gets-more-social-with-facebook.aspx http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/search/archive/20... http://www.stateofsearch.com/bing-gaining-share-in-the-us-success-rate-much-higher-than-google/ http://www.stateofsearch.com/bing-gaining-share-in-the-us-su...
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- mredbord 16y ago
  I'm not completely convinced that Bing lacks the user base to compete with Google. There are diminishing returns in user base volume after some point, and Bing has around 100mm US users[1]. I think any of us would be pleased as punch with that volume and it's not clear it's not enough to do something-social-with-search. [1] http://blog.compete.com/2011/03/16/february-2011-search-market-share-report/ http://blog.compete.com/2011/03/16/february-2011-search-mark...

brudgers 16y ago

Not necessarily, "Bing : Microsoft" is not analogous to "Google Search : Google." Bing just needs to fill a small gap in Microsoft's total product portfolio whereas Google Search is the crown jewels for Google. In other words, Bing can be a cost center for Microsoft and still contribute to the company's bottom line by contributing to increased revenues in other areas, but if Google Search starts losing money Google is in real trouble. So long a Bing provides meaningful statistical data regarding internet search,keeps Google from data mining searches performed in Redmond, and serves as a productive R&D platform it is successful for Microsoft because they do not need to generate significant revenue from advertising to be profitable.