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> You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? You mean the same argument that Apple fanboys have been rep

> You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? You mean the same argument that Apple fanboys have been repeating over and over, except that I can side load apps on Android and consoles are hardly needed (smartphones are)? BTW I can buy new and used games at GameStop Does an AppleStop exist? Can I buy used apps on the aftermarket? I can sell the same song on Spotify, Bandcamp, on my website directly and also have a patreon. Can I do the same with an app for iPhone? Spotify is also different because they mostly sell copyrighted material owned by a copyright holder which usually is not the author. It's more like Apple music, which I don't have a problem with since there are alternatives and I can watch the content on other devices (the apps are available on the play store, for example) and Apple is making deals with labels, the same labels that sell to Spotify or YouTube But to be completely honest, it would be great if MS, Sony, Spotify etc etc were forced to open up their platforms because they are found using unfair competition tactics. But Apple IMO is the worst offender of the lot. > Sure it is. SMS. It isn't though... My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So, again, Apple is reducing user experience to lock users in. also: SMS travel in clear text So much for security... > It cost more to buy a soda from the convenience store than the grocery store. Because there is a grocery store available Where is the Apple grocery store? > I couldn’t advertise at Best Buy that you can buy the same product cheaper at Amazon. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website So it's like you put your product at best buy and best buy put it out like it was a best buy product Would you like it? Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome But I prefer to think that it's just Apple forcing people to defend their abusive behaviour online It makes me feel less sad for those who really believe Apple is the good guy

scarface74 6y ago
My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? Where is the Apple grocery store? It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website Apple has plenty of competition. I go into a cell phone store, I see dozens of phones besides iPhones. Just like when I go into GameStop I see three incompatible consoles. Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I don’t complain on the internet about Android or Windows. I choose the alternative. I didn’t need the government for that. Free will is great isn’t it. I also didn’t complain back in the day that Nintendo only allowed certain types of games - I bought an alternate console. Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? It's Apple fault to not make an iMessage app for Android though My friends with iPhones don't even know that when they are messaging with me I receive an SMS, because Apple never made it clear that iMessage is Apple only SMS by the way is not a chat protocol, it's an alerting protocol So Apple is using it wrong > It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. Android is not Apple competitor. Android is iOS competitor and prior was Windows Mobile or Blackberry competitor. In fact you can install a different OS on Android phones, you can't on Apple phones and that's the point, if it's a closed platform, it's a closed market, different from other markets and Apple is a monopolist in it. You are conflating you arguments with meaningless comparisons. > I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. You would if the chinese store forced you to buy pizza from them because you have chinese pottery at home I don't know why is it so hard to understand that these arguments are childish at best > You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. No, you are not on Apple store. From their developers' guidelines Chapter 3, paragraph 3.1 > Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase. I imagined that before engaging in a discussion you read the relative documentation ... I guess you didn't > Apple has plenty of competition It does not. It's artificial competition. The point is Apple is a market per se and is a monopolist in that market. If only people could have some degree of freedom it would be a different situation. > I choose the alternative. THere's no alternative to Apple, Apple is a different closed ecosystem. When you'll understand that, everything will be clearer. > I didn’t need the government for that. Iḿ sorry to state it like this, Iḿ Italian and my english is decent at best, but who cares what you need? I don't need a doctor right now, but I'm happy the government of my country is funding a public healthcare that can take care for free of people who need it and/or couldn't afford it if it was an expensive procedure > Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. They weren't complaining, they were stating the obvious, in fact MS was sentenced for "abuse of dominant position" Sun Microsystem raised the complain and won. Epic is doing the same to Apple, and will probably get some satisfaction. > What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? What do you say of people that constantly assume? > If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps? The same apps that are profitable on iOS are profitable on Android, but they cost less for the user and the developer have the possibility of earning more You can play Fortnite on Android even if Google removes it from their store. Can you do the same on iOS?
scarface74 6y ago
BTW I can buy new and used games at GameStop Does an AppleStop exist? Let me tell you a little story about game call Tekken x Street Fighter. Back when I bought it was $40 from GameStop. But when you bought the physical game, 7 or 8 characters were locked until you paid for them digitally - another $15 in Sony’s “walled garden”. Guess what happened when you bought the game used? The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. Can I buy the Carlton dance on Fortnite used? Can I sell all of the virtual items I bought on Fortnite? Can I buy items and use them on the “Fortnite platform” without giving Epic a cut? Epic has just as much of a “monopoly” on the Fortnite platform as Apple does on iOS. See how silly it sounds when you just arbitrarily use the term “monopoly”?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. The in app purchase of digital goods is a can of worms on its own, but completely orthogonal to the issue at hands with Apple monopoly. I would argue that the fact that Apple forces publishers to go through in app purchase for everything related to money exchange between the publisher and the user is even worse than being a monopoly I think creating a walled garden where they are the sole ruler and dictator it's unfair, but profitting from shady practices like selling items in games that more oftne than not are played by kids, it's criminal I don't like Sony, MS, Google, Facebook, Epic etc. etc. more than Apple. Simply on this matter I think Epic is right and Apple wrong. I don't take parts with companies, only my side as a user. Killing Apple monopoly is better for the end users, full stop. > See how silly it sounds when you just arbitrarily use the term “monopoly”? It is silly to not understand context. As a thought experiment, if that bothers you, imagine if Sony handled the same way your contacts, calendars, personal data and also removed the game from your console because you bought it in an non approved market. Imagine they said it was for your own safety, because you are unable to discern good from bad, but at the same time dozen of celebrities had their private pictures and videos leaked because the Sony cloud is not as secure as they say... Would you still trust Sony?
  - scarface74 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago

My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? Where is the Apple grocery store? It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website Apple has plenty of competition. I go into a cell phone store, I see dozens of phones besides iPhones. Just like when I go into GameStop I see three incompatible consoles. Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I don’t complain on the internet about Android or Windows. I choose the alternative. I didn’t need the government for that. Free will is great isn’t it. I also didn’t complain back in the day that Nintendo only allowed certain types of games - I bought an alternate console. Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps?

romanoderoma 6y ago
> So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? It's Apple fault to not make an iMessage app for Android though My friends with iPhones don't even know that when they are messaging with me I receive an SMS, because Apple never made it clear that iMessage is Apple only SMS by the way is not a chat protocol, it's an alerting protocol So Apple is using it wrong > It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. Android is not Apple competitor. Android is iOS competitor and prior was Windows Mobile or Blackberry competitor. In fact you can install a different OS on Android phones, you can't on Apple phones and that's the point, if it's a closed platform, it's a closed market, different from other markets and Apple is a monopolist in it. You are conflating you arguments with meaningless comparisons. > I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. You would if the chinese store forced you to buy pizza from them because you have chinese pottery at home I don't know why is it so hard to understand that these arguments are childish at best > You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. No, you are not on Apple store. From their developers' guidelines Chapter 3, paragraph 3.1 > Apps may not use their own mechanisms to unlock content or functionality, such as license keys, augmented reality markers, QR codes, etc. Apps and their metadata may not include buttons, external links, or other calls to action that direct customers to purchasing mechanisms other than in-app purchase. I imagined that before engaging in a discussion you read the relative documentation ... I guess you didn't > Apple has plenty of competition It does not. It's artificial competition. The point is Apple is a market per se and is a monopolist in that market. If only people could have some degree of freedom it would be a different situation. > I choose the alternative. THere's no alternative to Apple, Apple is a different closed ecosystem. When you'll understand that, everything will be clearer. > I didn’t need the government for that. Iḿ sorry to state it like this, Iḿ Italian and my english is decent at best, but who cares what you need? I don't need a doctor right now, but I'm happy the government of my country is funding a public healthcare that can take care for free of people who need it and/or couldn't afford it if it was an expensive procedure > Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. They weren't complaining, they were stating the obvious, in fact MS was sentenced for "abuse of dominant position" Sun Microsystem raised the complain and won. Epic is doing the same to Apple, and will probably get some satisfaction. > What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? What do you say of people that constantly assume? > If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps? The same apps that are profitable on iOS are profitable on Android, but they cost less for the user and the developer have the possibility of earning more You can play Fortnite on Android even if Google removes it from their store. Can you do the same on iOS?

scarface74 6y ago

BTW I can buy new and used games at GameStop Does an AppleStop exist? Let me tell you a little story about game call Tekken x Street Fighter. Back when I bought it was $40 from GameStop. But when you bought the physical game, 7 or 8 characters were locked until you paid for them digitally - another $15 in Sony’s “walled garden”. Guess what happened when you bought the game used? The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. Can I buy the Carlton dance on Fortnite used? Can I sell all of the virtual items I bought on Fortnite? Can I buy items and use them on the “Fortnite platform” without giving Epic a cut? Epic has just as much of a “monopoly” on the Fortnite platform as Apple does on iOS. See how silly it sounds when you just arbitrarily use the term “monopoly”?

romanoderoma 6y ago
> The next person still had to pay the $15. So sure you can buy the disc used but you can’t buy half the content. The in app purchase of digital goods is a can of worms on its own, but completely orthogonal to the issue at hands with Apple monopoly. I would argue that the fact that Apple forces publishers to go through in app purchase for everything related to money exchange between the publisher and the user is even worse than being a monopoly I think creating a walled garden where they are the sole ruler and dictator it's unfair, but profitting from shady practices like selling items in games that more oftne than not are played by kids, it's criminal I don't like Sony, MS, Google, Facebook, Epic etc. etc. more than Apple. Simply on this matter I think Epic is right and Apple wrong. I don't take parts with companies, only my side as a user. Killing Apple monopoly is better for the end users, full stop. > See how silly it sounds when you just arbitrarily use the term “monopoly”? It is silly to not understand context. As a thought experiment, if that bothers you, imagine if Sony handled the same way your contacts, calendars, personal data and also removed the game from your console because you bought it in an non approved market. Imagine they said it was for your own safety, because you are unable to discern good from bad, but at the same time dozen of celebrities had their private pictures and videos leaked because the Sony cloud is not as secure as they say... Would you still trust Sony?
- scarface74 6y ago