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Also, higher maximum G limit. AIs should be inherently much more maneuverable that human pilots because humans can only pull -1 to 9 Gs, AI would only be limi

by cwkoss 6y ago

Also, higher maximum G limit. AIs should be inherently much more maneuverable that human pilots because humans can only pull -1 to 9 Gs, AI would only be limited by the aircraft itself.

stouset 6y ago
This is of marginal value. Pulling Gs might help you in a close-in dogfight, but when your primary threat is a radar-guided air-air missile at 75mi+ or a SAM site at 200mi+ of range, Gs don't really matter unless you've failed multiple other possible means of defeating the incoming missile. And even in this case, high Gs aren't going to be much more than a hail mary.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
  Of course it will- autonomous aircraft that can zigzag to counter threats.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    But nowhere near as fast as a missile that weighs 1% and has a much higher power-to-weight ratio.
  - stouset 6y ago
    No, that's not even remotely close to how aircraft defeat modern radar-guided or even heat-seeking missiles. Even when you take the fleshy bits on the inside of the plane out of the equation, a plane that's capable of carrying multiple missiles and/or bombs is simply not going to be able to out-turn a missile that can pull 50G+ approaching at Mach 4 with any sort of regularity. Pulling hard Gs is all but pointless because even if you cause the missile to "miss", the missile doesn't care about actually impacting you. They're proximity-fuzed and will happily detonate right next to you instead.
    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
      Didn't say that's how modern aircraft do it. They dont. I envisioned future drone aircraft that behave like an aircraft and missile hybrid with a smaller radar cross section. A large part of getting a missile to target is predicting where the target will be. Zig zagging hard and rapidly ruins the prediction and you don't have to do it all the time- only when it knows it's illuminated.
      - ska 6y ago
        IIUC The missile pretty much compellingly maintains it's advantage here for as long as the "hybrid" approach maintains non-missile-like design features. Which leads you to either giving up on the approach, or just observing that it's hard to hit a missile with an equivalent missile.

by cwkoss 6y ago

Also, higher maximum G limit. AIs should be inherently much more maneuverable that human pilots because humans can only pull -1 to 9 Gs, AI would only be limited by the aircraft itself.

stouset 6y ago

This is of marginal value. Pulling Gs might help you in a close-in dogfight, but when your primary threat is a radar-guided air-air missile at 75mi+ or a SAM site at 200mi+ of range, Gs don't really matter unless you've failed multiple other possible means of defeating the incoming missile. And even in this case, high Gs aren't going to be much more than a hail mary.

2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
Of course it will- autonomous aircraft that can zigzag to counter threats.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  But nowhere near as fast as a missile that weighs 1% and has a much higher power-to-weight ratio.
- stouset 6y ago
  No, that's not even remotely close to how aircraft defeat modern radar-guided or even heat-seeking missiles. Even when you take the fleshy bits on the inside of the plane out of the equation, a plane that's capable of carrying multiple missiles and/or bombs is simply not going to be able to out-turn a missile that can pull 50G+ approaching at Mach 4 with any sort of regularity. Pulling hard Gs is all but pointless because even if you cause the missile to "miss", the missile doesn't care about actually impacting you. They're proximity-fuzed and will happily detonate right next to you instead.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 6y ago
    Didn't say that's how modern aircraft do it. They dont. I envisioned future drone aircraft that behave like an aircraft and missile hybrid with a smaller radar cross section. A large part of getting a missile to target is predicting where the target will be. Zig zagging hard and rapidly ruins the prediction and you don't have to do it all the time- only when it knows it's illuminated.
    - ska 6y ago
      IIUC The missile pretty much compellingly maintains it's advantage here for as long as the "hybrid" approach maintains non-missile-like design features. Which leads you to either giving up on the approach, or just observing that it's hard to hit a missile with an equivalent missile.