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> Do you expect Apple to run Android apps or license their OS? I do expect they will be forced to make at least sideloading possible > If I were running a bu

> Do you expect Apple to run Android apps or license their OS? I do expect they will be forced to make at least sideloading possible > If I were running a business, why would I care about the low margin, no profit commodity PC or Android market. nobody expects businessmen to be decent human beings, nobody expects that from a US company, but Prada, for example, can't force you to wear Prada shoes if you bought a Prada dress. If you wanna buy Gucci shoes, you don't have to go through the Prada store that charges you 30% just because you can't escape it. What the majority of the people here are saying is that Apple margins are artificial and built on having an unescapable walled garden It is like luring people in a Mall and closing the doors Of course they are going to buy only from shops inside the Mall, but what if they could go shopping somewhere else? Why is Apple so afraid of it? If their product is superior, people will buy it anyway. Right? --- Of course there is more to it Apple bluetooth profile has been for years not compatible with device to device transfer (I don knwow about the newer models) Apple messaging platforms can't be made interoperable with Android because Apple does not want to. Apple does not permit to advertise in apps different ways of creating an account on third party services, which obviously gives an unfair advantage to Apple, if you are Spotify and can't tell people how to create an account outside of the iOS is one thing, but if you are a news outlet and can't advertise your website (where you collect ads or advertise different payment profiles) that's really hindering publishers and user's rights (it costs more to buy NY Times subscription from the iOS app - to cover the Apple cut on it - and there is only one option available while there are more on their website) Ny Times can maybe handle it, but what about smaller companies/publishers? Apple thinks that if the app doesn't work user would think it's s device problem, but if buying things from apple store costs more, users will think that publishers are to blame, and publishers are usually not worth 2 trillions and can't afford the bad PR the same way Apple can.

scarface74 6y ago
What the majority of the people here are saying is that Apple margins are artificial and built on having an unescapable walled garden You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? Apple bluetooth profile has been for years not compatible with device to device transfer (I don knwow about the newer models) People still use slow BT transfers? Why? This isn’t 2004. There are much better ways to transfer files. Apple messaging platforms can't be made interoperable with Android because Apple does not want to Sure it is. SMS. it costs more to buy NY Times subscription from the iOS app - to cover the Apple cut on it It cost more to buy a soda from the convenience store than the grocery store. I couldn’t advertise at Best Buy that you can buy the same product cheaper at Amazon.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? You mean the same argument that Apple fanboys have been repeating over and over, except that I can side load apps on Android and consoles are hardly needed (smartphones are)? BTW I can buy new and used games at GameStop Does an AppleStop exist? Can I buy used apps on the aftermarket? I can sell the same song on Spotify, Bandcamp, on my website directly and also have a patreon. Can I do the same with an app for iPhone? Spotify is also different because they mostly sell copyrighted material owned by a copyright holder which usually is not the author. It's more like Apple music, which I don't have a problem with since there are alternatives and I can watch the content on other devices (the apps are available on the play store, for example) and Apple is making deals with labels, the same labels that sell to Spotify or YouTube But to be completely honest, it would be great if MS, Sony, Spotify etc etc were forced to open up their platforms because they are found using unfair competition tactics. But Apple IMO is the worst offender of the lot. > Sure it is. SMS. It isn't though... My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So, again, Apple is reducing user experience to lock users in. also: SMS travel in clear text So much for security... > It cost more to buy a soda from the convenience store than the grocery store. Because there is a grocery store available Where is the Apple grocery store? > I couldn’t advertise at Best Buy that you can buy the same product cheaper at Amazon. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website So it's like you put your product at best buy and best buy put it out like it was a best buy product Would you like it? Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome But I prefer to think that it's just Apple forcing people to defend their abusive behaviour online It makes me feel less sad for those who really believe Apple is the good guy
  - scarface74 6y ago
    My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? Where is the Apple grocery store? It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website Apple has plenty of competition. I go into a cell phone store, I see dozens of phones besides iPhones. Just like when I go into GameStop I see three incompatible consoles. Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I don’t complain on the internet about Android or Windows. I choose the alternative. I didn’t need the government for that. Free will is great isn’t it. I also didn’t complain back in the day that Nintendo only allowed certain types of games - I bought an alternate console. Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps?

scarface74 6y ago

What the majority of the people here are saying is that Apple margins are artificial and built on having an unescapable walled garden You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? Apple bluetooth profile has been for years not compatible with device to device transfer (I don knwow about the newer models) People still use slow BT transfers? Why? This isn’t 2004. There are much better ways to transfer files. Apple messaging platforms can't be made interoperable with Android because Apple does not want to Sure it is. SMS. it costs more to buy NY Times subscription from the iOS app - to cover the Apple cut on it It cost more to buy a soda from the convenience store than the grocery store. I couldn’t advertise at Best Buy that you can buy the same product cheaper at Amazon.

romanoderoma 6y ago
> You mean the same 30% margin that Google, Sony, Microsoft (Xbox), Nintendo, Spotify, etc. charge? You mean the same argument that Apple fanboys have been repeating over and over, except that I can side load apps on Android and consoles are hardly needed (smartphones are)? BTW I can buy new and used games at GameStop Does an AppleStop exist? Can I buy used apps on the aftermarket? I can sell the same song on Spotify, Bandcamp, on my website directly and also have a patreon. Can I do the same with an app for iPhone? Spotify is also different because they mostly sell copyrighted material owned by a copyright holder which usually is not the author. It's more like Apple music, which I don't have a problem with since there are alternatives and I can watch the content on other devices (the apps are available on the play store, for example) and Apple is making deals with labels, the same labels that sell to Spotify or YouTube But to be completely honest, it would be great if MS, Sony, Spotify etc etc were forced to open up their platforms because they are found using unfair competition tactics. But Apple IMO is the worst offender of the lot. > Sure it is. SMS. It isn't though... My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So, again, Apple is reducing user experience to lock users in. also: SMS travel in clear text So much for security... > It cost more to buy a soda from the convenience store than the grocery store. Because there is a grocery store available Where is the Apple grocery store? > I couldn’t advertise at Best Buy that you can buy the same product cheaper at Amazon. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website So it's like you put your product at best buy and best buy put it out like it was a best buy product Would you like it? Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome But I prefer to think that it's just Apple forcing people to defend their abusive behaviour online It makes me feel less sad for those who really believe Apple is the good guy
- scarface74 6y ago
  My plan doesn't include SMS I have unlimited data, unlimited phone calls, but no SMS So it’s Apple’s fault that your plan doesn’t have SMS? Where is the Apple grocery store? It’s called Android, their are literally dozens of other phones out their from $50-$2000 in every shape and form you can imagine. I wouldn’t complain because I couldn’t get pizza in a Chinese restaurant. I would go to a Pizza shop. That's because best buy and Amazon are competitors And competition is good Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website You are just as free to say that you can get a cheaper subscription on your one website as you can say you can buy a TV cheaper somewhere else - just not in a competitors store. Apple, on the other hand, don't like competitors, Apple loves a monopoly, and doesn't let you advertise your own website Apple has plenty of competition. I go into a cell phone store, I see dozens of phones besides iPhones. Just like when I go into GameStop I see three incompatible consoles. Of course you wouldn't, you would retire it immediately and sell it on the many other channels available, because there isn't only best buy. But when it's about Apple you are ok with it. I don’t complain on the internet about Android or Windows. I choose the alternative. I didn’t need the government for that. Free will is great isn’t it. I also didn’t complain back in the day that Nintendo only allowed certain types of games - I bought an alternate console. Even when people were complaining that Microsoft was a monopoly. I had an MS free house. I guess that's what happen when people suffer from Stockholm syndrome What do you say about people that constantly complain about products that they don’t own? If Apple is stifling competition, where all of the profitable, successful Android only apps?