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Why not Signal? It’s the way to go as far as messaging apps are concerned.
by aborsy 6y ago
Why not Signal? It’s the way to go as far as messaging apps are concerned.
- alextheparrot 6y agoThey probably have higher priority concerns than bike shedding messaging apps.
- eitland 6y agoSignal seems to be more secure. I prefer it. Telegram is really really well made ux wise though, scales effortlessly and is in use anyway for everything else in certain groups so it is easy to reach for.
- Arubis 6y agoMy recollection (can someone verify?) is that Telegram continues to function in limited-connectivity environments, making it a good fit for situations where a state actor is limiting network access.
- sam_lowry_ 6y agoI can confirm ;-)
- maqp 6y agoThere isn't magic that hides list of server IP-addresses from state entities with access to clients source where it's listed https://github.com/zhukov/webogram/blob/c5fc5107cad2a476a03d7ce8427f1def41c20568/app/js/lib/mtproto.js#L13 https://github.com/zhukov/webogram/blob/c5fc5107cad2a476a03d....
- ffpip 6y agoand it works? Unlike signal in Belarus right now? What do you have against Telegram? Do you have a competing app, or are you concerned about security? Everybody (atleast on HN) knows it is not e2ee. They don't use it for security. They know Signal is more secure. Telegram has insane features. I use Telegram for unlimited file sharing, pirating movies not available in my country, bots. nothing personal
- ourcat 6y agoDon't they both require handing over a mobile phone number to use them? This is what has always confused me (and turned me off) about these privacy-focussed messaging apps.
- zzz61831 6y agoSort of, there is pseudoanonimity layer in Telegram that doesn't show your phone number to others, so if you can be reasonably sure that Telegram isn't going to give you up to the police of your country - your privacy can be preserved. While Signal literally identifies contacts via phone numbers and there is no mass communication features anyway, so it's both less private and less useful for such purposes.
- kome 6y ago> Signal literally identifies contacts via phone numbers that's so stupid. why people here keeps arguing that Signal crypto is safer when its architecture is SO unsafe?
- sam_lowry_ 6y agoBecause they are NSA spooks?
- maqp 6y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpuRcmPnSTM
- samat 6y agoTheir crypto is state of the art, but their ops sec threat model does not include “we’ll torture you or go to your mobile operator and their would cooperate fully”. So signal is good for USA, not so good for 3rd world countries. This people making decisions in Signal live in a different world then most of the people who need secure comms. Well telegram have us covered. Sadly, if you stop trusting Durov - you are screwed. Signal is much better in that regard.
- eatitraw 6y agoTelegram is more of a social media platform than a messenger. It has public 'channels' - read-only blogs without likes and comments. The biggest Belarusian channel 'Nexta' has 2M+ subscribers.
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- zanny 6y agoMatrix has comprehensive encryption now and is decentralized.
- oehtXRwMkIs 6y agoand federated, and way better for group chats, and actually cross-platform
- robertfw 6y agoMatrix really does seem like the ideal future platform to build on, I've started poking around it and really like what I see. Does anyone with more experience want to chime in on what they've found using it?
- tryptophan 6y agoIt has the best protocol I'd say, but other than that everything else is worse. All the clients suck, features are missing/buggy, nobody is sure if it is supposed to be a discord/slack or whataspp replacement, giving a half-ass implementation of both, and confusing to users security stuff(asks random users about their keys). That being said, I still love the project and hope they sort out their UX problems.
- thekyle 6y agoI really like the idea of Matrix, but in practice I don't have anyone to use it with. At least with Signal the on-boarding experience is super low friction, so I can just tell someone "message me on Signal" and they'll figure it out. Matrix on-boarding is more complicated and would probably require hand holding through which client and server to use.
- robjan 6y agoI don't think matrix can scale to hundreds of thousands of users in one channel at the moment.
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- casept 6y agoBecause the belarussian government doesn't have enough power over Telegram to force them to disclose messages, meaning that transport encryption is absolutely good enough for the protester's threat model.
- anigbrowl 6y agoBecause Signal is shit for anything other than 1-1 communications. Group management is extremely cumbersome and large scale channels, while not impossible, require external assistance (with all the security implications). Signal is definitely more secure than Telegram, but the latter has a far better user interface, API, and social ecosystem, which gives rise to massive networks effects that are simply not available in Signal.
- maqp 6y agoThey're working on V2 groups, AFAIK it's in internal beta right now.
- eitland 6y agoThat's actually encouraging to hear!
- maqp 6y agoIt was internal alpha but whatever: https://community.signalusers.org/t/beta-feedback-for-the-upcoming-android-4-67-release/15823 https://community.signalusers.org/t/beta-feedback-for-the-up... The community forums are a wonderful place to follow the development BTW.
- anigbrowl 6y agoMuch appreciated!
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoBecause it's down along with the rest of the internet. Because connection resilience is more important than encryption.
- maqp 6y agoConnection resilience. You mean when Telegram's EU server had an issue last time, it was down from Ireland to Egypt to Israel to Finland :D That resilience?
- ClumsyPilot 6y agoI am talking about it's ability to resist attempts to block it's connection by the ISP. Why do you conflate it with reliability of their servers?