2 ms·

> So are you proposing we're going back to gender essentialism? The societal and cultural discourse would likely shift to completely different subjects altoget

> So are you proposing we're going back to gender essentialism? The societal and cultural discourse would likely shift to completely different subjects altogether. Probably people will place little importance on race and gender, and we would have thrown away the model of the world which reasons in terms of oppressing and oppressed groups.

f38zf5vdt 6y ago
Such a model has never existed in the history of life on this planet. All creatures compete and discriminate to aid in their continued existence as a species. I think a world in which oppression doesn't exist on some level is perhaps a lifeless moon. To date, if anything, racism is studied more today than ever previously in history. The one exception is that it now includes the opinions of the marginalized.
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  Bigotry disturbingly is a fungible concept whose basis is only coincidental to actual differences. Rwanda's infamous Tutsi genocide is proof that distinctions may be made arbitrary and there is nothing essential about any difference. If in the darkest of timelines the Nazis had created a "pure" Aryan bloodline and didn't collapse or mutate to something less dysfunctional they would almost certainly go fractal in their divisions until they dropped below the minimal long term viable population number and try to kill their way out of harmful mutations from having a gene droplet instead of a gene pool. Past conceptions have been along different lines and may differ in the future as well. Egyptian Dynasties and Roman Empire had a "are they currently a part of our empire or not Y/N" distinction.
anoxor 6y ago
> we would have thrown away the model of the world which reasons in terms of oppressing and oppressed groups The fundamental presupposition of Marxist theory is oppressing and oppressed groups. I don't for one second think this wave of culture is giving up the reasoning of oppressing and oppressed groups ever. The logic game is too easy to play and too easily totally and radically changes their worldview and gets people violently in the streets. Subtle and different forms of marxism are here to stay. It is also not a new logic, just better weaponized.

f38zf5vdt 6y ago

Such a model has never existed in the history of life on this planet. All creatures compete and discriminate to aid in their continued existence as a species. I think a world in which oppression doesn't exist on some level is perhaps a lifeless moon. To date, if anything, racism is studied more today than ever previously in history. The one exception is that it now includes the opinions of the marginalized.

Nasrudith 6y ago
Bigotry disturbingly is a fungible concept whose basis is only coincidental to actual differences. Rwanda's infamous Tutsi genocide is proof that distinctions may be made arbitrary and there is nothing essential about any difference. If in the darkest of timelines the Nazis had created a "pure" Aryan bloodline and didn't collapse or mutate to something less dysfunctional they would almost certainly go fractal in their divisions until they dropped below the minimal long term viable population number and try to kill their way out of harmful mutations from having a gene droplet instead of a gene pool. Past conceptions have been along different lines and may differ in the future as well. Egyptian Dynasties and Roman Empire had a "are they currently a part of our empire or not Y/N" distinction.

anoxor 6y ago

> we would have thrown away the model of the world which reasons in terms of oppressing and oppressed groups The fundamental presupposition of Marxist theory is oppressing and oppressed groups. I don't for one second think this wave of culture is giving up the reasoning of oppressing and oppressed groups ever. The logic game is too easy to play and too easily totally and radically changes their worldview and gets people violently in the streets. Subtle and different forms of marxism are here to stay. It is also not a new logic, just better weaponized.