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The underlying assumption is if you wear a hijab, you're not integrated. I honestly feel like this is just religious discrimation with extra steps.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago
But then your underlying assumption is that religion isn’t part of cultural integration. Why is religion separate from culture? I would say it’s a subset of culture.
- exhilaration 6y ago
  What about your name? Do you have to give that up too to culturally integrate? I'm sure you've seen the articles about CVs rejected by French firms for having Jewish and Muslim names: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/new-research-shows-that-french-muslims-experience-extraordinary-discrimination-in-the-job-market/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/2...
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    That absolutely sucks, and does put the rejections in a bad light, but names don’t directly affect your behavior. Religion is different in that regard.
  - realusername 6y ago
    > What about your name? Do you have to give that up too to culturally integrate? In the past you had that too yes, your name was transformed into a French equivalent.
- P-ala-din 6y ago
  - I mean freedom of religion is a human right. - So In a majority christian state, is it ok to discriminate against jews?
  - read_if_gay_ 6y ago
    I guess you could say freedom of religion is a human right but it's not a human right to be culturally integrated. And so you could absolutely be required to give up that freedom in order to integrate, in the same way your workplace may require you to be at your office and do certain things, which is clearly not a violation of your freedom.
  - realusername 6y ago
    > - So In a majority christian state, is it ok to discriminate against jews? People would still be discriminated for wearing a big cross in France as well, it's just not that common.
    - P-ala-din 6y ago
      that was not my question. and wearing a giant cross is not mandatory in christianity.

read_if_gay_ 6y ago

But then your underlying assumption is that religion isn’t part of cultural integration. Why is religion separate from culture? I would say it’s a subset of culture.

exhilaration 6y ago
What about your name? Do you have to give that up too to culturally integrate? I'm sure you've seen the articles about CVs rejected by French firms for having Jewish and Muslim names: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/new-research-shows-that-french-muslims-experience-extraordinary-discrimination-in-the-job-market/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/2...
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  That absolutely sucks, and does put the rejections in a bad light, but names don’t directly affect your behavior. Religion is different in that regard.
- realusername 6y ago
  > What about your name? Do you have to give that up too to culturally integrate? In the past you had that too yes, your name was transformed into a French equivalent.
P-ala-din 6y ago
- I mean freedom of religion is a human right. - So In a majority christian state, is it ok to discriminate against jews?
- read_if_gay_ 6y ago
  I guess you could say freedom of religion is a human right but it's not a human right to be culturally integrated. And so you could absolutely be required to give up that freedom in order to integrate, in the same way your workplace may require you to be at your office and do certain things, which is clearly not a violation of your freedom.
- realusername 6y ago
  > - So In a majority christian state, is it ok to discriminate against jews? People would still be discriminated for wearing a big cross in France as well, it's just not that common.
  - P-ala-din 6y ago
    that was not my question. and wearing a giant cross is not mandatory in christianity.