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The virus spread from a single point in China and now exists in millions if not billions of hosts. If it could spread from a single point if will definitely spr

by lki876 6y ago

The virus spread from a single point in China and now exists in millions if not billions of hosts. If it could spread from a single point if will definitely spread now. As long as the virus exists it will continue to spread regardless of measures such as contact tracing. That means there is no such option as "follow the rules or death". It's a false narrartive pushed by people who want to shame those who don't follow the rules. We may feel a need to "do something" and that may make us feel better, but that doesn't eman that it works. Luckily the death rates aren't that different from a regular flu. Of course people die from that too. That's tragic, but everybody dies so there is no option of death or not death. The only question is how we die. For examples, the measures taken against the virus have killed people. How many? No government that I know of is tracking this.

edmundsauto 6y ago
I agree that we should be tracking more of everything, including people who died because of the lockdown measures. However, your statement that the death rates aren't that different from the flu are demonstrably wrong. One, the data does not show that. Two, your confidence in such a statement is not warranted, given that we do not have very good data for what is still an active Wave 1 of a pandemic. Third, we have no idea what the longterm effects will look like across a population - just because people don't die from it right now does not mean there aren't risks of shortened lifespan and lowered quality of life. I respect your right to have a differing opinion, but as far as they go, yours is a very strong opinion that you are too confident in without sufficient evidence.
XMPPwocky 6y ago
> If it could spread from a single point if will definitely spread now. As long as the virus exists it will continue to spread regardless of measures such as contact tracing. Respectfully, this is dangerous bullshit, and doesn't even make sense. The virus spread initially in a world without countermeasures. With countermeasures that reduce Re... if every infected person spreads it to less than one person on average, the spread on a population level stops. That's sort of the point. I'd highly suggest playing around with a cellular automaton or something to get a sense for super- v.s. subcriticality. > That's tragic, but everybody dies so there is no option of death or not death. The only question is how we die. Sure, I'm going to die someday with exceedingly high probability, but even though I know that, I haven't shot myself. And I wear a helmet when I ride my bicycle. I don't have any hard data to back this up, but I suspect the majority of people would prefer to die later rather than sooner. If you'd like to fund a poll to investigate this question, please feel free.

by lki876 6y ago

edmundsauto 6y ago

I agree that we should be tracking more of everything, including people who died because of the lockdown measures. However, your statement that the death rates aren't that different from the flu are demonstrably wrong. One, the data does not show that. Two, your confidence in such a statement is not warranted, given that we do not have very good data for what is still an active Wave 1 of a pandemic. Third, we have no idea what the longterm effects will look like across a population - just because people don't die from it right now does not mean there aren't risks of shortened lifespan and lowered quality of life. I respect your right to have a differing opinion, but as far as they go, yours is a very strong opinion that you are too confident in without sufficient evidence.

XMPPwocky 6y ago

> If it could spread from a single point if will definitely spread now. As long as the virus exists it will continue to spread regardless of measures such as contact tracing. Respectfully, this is dangerous bullshit, and doesn't even make sense. The virus spread initially in a world without countermeasures. With countermeasures that reduce Re... if every infected person spreads it to less than one person on average, the spread on a population level stops. That's sort of the point. I'd highly suggest playing around with a cellular automaton or something to get a sense for super- v.s. subcriticality. > That's tragic, but everybody dies so there is no option of death or not death. The only question is how we die. Sure, I'm going to die someday with exceedingly high probability, but even though I know that, I haven't shot myself. And I wear a helmet when I ride my bicycle. I don't have any hard data to back this up, but I suspect the majority of people would prefer to die later rather than sooner. If you'd like to fund a poll to investigate this question, please feel free.