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I'm newly vegetarian since it's the cheapest way to eat (source- Efficiency Is Everything) Egg + milk vegetarian is quite easy and satisfied any meat cravings,

I'm newly vegetarian since it's the cheapest way to eat (source- Efficiency Is Everything) Egg + milk vegetarian is quite easy and satisfied any meat cravings, where when I try to eat vegan I feel lacking. I know there's the whole morality behind chicken eggs and milk, so I don't see vegetarian as the end destination for anyone who cares about ethics/morals.

bitdizzy 6y ago
Nutritional yeast, tamari, and dried mushrooms goes a long way for me.
- sumnole 6y ago
  Also see tofu, soy protein, and wheat gluten. More should try to reduce meat consumption and avoid supporting factory farms.
- ornornor 6y ago
  Tempeh is also great, cooked in a pan with soy sauce or Teryaki sauce.
poulsbohemian 6y ago
I'm curious to hear other points of view regarding eggs. We had long wanted chickens of our own, and this spring finally built a coop and got some birds. They should start laying later this year, with our intent being they will eventually supply all our family egg needs (which are considerable - on the order of 3+ dozen a week). These birds are seriously pampered and will presumably live long, natural lives beyond their "productive" years. While I can understand concerns about factory conditions for egg layers, is there anyone who believes there are ethical issues around eggs produced in the decidedly non-factory conditions of my backyard? I've been somewhat amazed by just how easy it has been to raise them so far and would advocate anyone who wants to enjoy eggs should give it a go. Regarding milk: Yes, I'm in agreement, for most adult humans the soy / almond / oat / etc options are perfectly good, apart perhaps from baking. Fish is the one area I don't personally see a good substitute, until the market tells me it is too expensive to continue eating.
- throWaythxMod 6y ago
  You are going to keep them after productive years? Also I believe it still kills males.
- newscracker 6y ago
  > is there anyone who believes there are ethical issues around eggs produced in the decidedly non-factory conditions of my backyard? Yes. Hens in a natural setting (a backyard human controlled setting is not natural) would lay about 25 eggs in a whole year. If you do not collect the eggs from your birds, this should be what you observe, unless these are selectively bred birds who may lay more eggs. If you calculate your three dozens a week as a per-bird number (which you haven’t mentioned), it would likely be many multiples larger. Egg laying is a physically taxing activity for the birds. Not being able to brood over the laid eggs is another issue if you agree that these birds are also capable of feeling emotionally (even if not directly comparable to humans).
- burfog 6y ago
  The soy / almond / oat / etc options are not perfectly good. Soy and almond have high levels of phytoestrogens. This encourages obesity, breast growth (including in males), and cancer. Oat isn't quite so bad, but it has high levels of phytic acid, an antinutrient.
  - Def_Os 6y ago
    Reference? This sounds alarming, and I would like to learn more.
loco5niner 6y ago
> for anyone who cares about ethics/morals Or rather, holds the same moral views as you hold.

bitdizzy 6y ago

Nutritional yeast, tamari, and dried mushrooms goes a long way for me.

sumnole 6y ago
Also see tofu, soy protein, and wheat gluten. More should try to reduce meat consumption and avoid supporting factory farms.
ornornor 6y ago
Tempeh is also great, cooked in a pan with soy sauce or Teryaki sauce.

poulsbohemian 6y ago

I'm curious to hear other points of view regarding eggs. We had long wanted chickens of our own, and this spring finally built a coop and got some birds. They should start laying later this year, with our intent being they will eventually supply all our family egg needs (which are considerable - on the order of 3+ dozen a week). These birds are seriously pampered and will presumably live long, natural lives beyond their "productive" years. While I can understand concerns about factory conditions for egg layers, is there anyone who believes there are ethical issues around eggs produced in the decidedly non-factory conditions of my backyard? I've been somewhat amazed by just how easy it has been to raise them so far and would advocate anyone who wants to enjoy eggs should give it a go. Regarding milk: Yes, I'm in agreement, for most adult humans the soy / almond / oat / etc options are perfectly good, apart perhaps from baking. Fish is the one area I don't personally see a good substitute, until the market tells me it is too expensive to continue eating.

throWaythxMod 6y ago
You are going to keep them after productive years? Also I believe it still kills males.
newscracker 6y ago
> is there anyone who believes there are ethical issues around eggs produced in the decidedly non-factory conditions of my backyard? Yes. Hens in a natural setting (a backyard human controlled setting is not natural) would lay about 25 eggs in a whole year. If you do not collect the eggs from your birds, this should be what you observe, unless these are selectively bred birds who may lay more eggs. If you calculate your three dozens a week as a per-bird number (which you haven’t mentioned), it would likely be many multiples larger. Egg laying is a physically taxing activity for the birds. Not being able to brood over the laid eggs is another issue if you agree that these birds are also capable of feeling emotionally (even if not directly comparable to humans).
burfog 6y ago
The soy / almond / oat / etc options are not perfectly good. Soy and almond have high levels of phytoestrogens. This encourages obesity, breast growth (including in males), and cancer. Oat isn't quite so bad, but it has high levels of phytic acid, an antinutrient.
- Def_Os 6y ago
  Reference? This sounds alarming, and I would like to learn more.

loco5niner 6y ago

> for anyone who cares about ethics/morals Or rather, holds the same moral views as you hold.