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That's a lot of excuses most of which do not stand up to scrutiny. However you slice it, Hamas is in full charge of Gaza. They can call for a new election whe

That's a lot of excuses most of which do not stand up to scrutiny. However you slice it, Hamas is in full charge of Gaza. They can call for a new election whenever they want.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
>That's a lot of excuses most of which do not stand up to scrutiny. It is an easily verifiable series of events that took place in ~2006. Here's some sources. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/21/israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/21/israel https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/world/middleeast/hamas-leader-faults-israeli-sanction-plan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/world/middleeast/hamas-le... >While the current situation is an indicator that Palestinians don't get to choose their leaders When your choice of leaders results in such retaliation, an election does not enable you to choose your leaders either.
- starik36 6y ago
  Your links betray how long ago this has happened. You are using excuses from 2006 to justify why a group of people doesn't deserve democracy.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    I figured saying "The result of their last election led to..." made it clear when this happened. The blockade resulting from those events is still ongoing, these things aren't ancient history. The Palestinians definitely deserve democracy, however creating one will require more than just an election.
    - starik36 6y ago
      The blockade resulted from Hamas sniping at Israel with mortars and missiles and rockets for nearly 15 years - which also caused 2-3 major wars. The moment they stop their shenanigans is the day the blockade ends. I agree that creating a democracy needs more than just an election. However, perhaps letting them vote in some new people might result in governance that is willing to play ball and come up with some kind of agreement.
      - boomboomsubban 6y ago
        >The blockade resulted from Hamas sniping at Israel with mortars and missiles and rockets for nearly 15 years - which also caused 2-3 major wars It was initiated as part of the postelection economic sanctions. Israel cites the rocket attacks for making it necessary to continue, but that is not the start. >However, perhaps letting them vote in some new people might result in governance that is willing to play ball and come up with some kind of agreement. Or it gives the US and Israel a chance to rectify their previous mistake and ensure their chosen candidates win. Democracy!

That's a lot of excuses most of which do not stand up to scrutiny. However you slice it, Hamas is in full charge of Gaza. They can call for a new election whenever they want.

boomboomsubban 6y ago

>That's a lot of excuses most of which do not stand up to scrutiny. It is an easily verifiable series of events that took place in ~2006. Here's some sources. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/21/israel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/21/israel https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/world/middleeast/hamas-leader-faults-israeli-sanction-plan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/18/world/middleeast/hamas-le... >While the current situation is an indicator that Palestinians don't get to choose their leaders When your choice of leaders results in such retaliation, an election does not enable you to choose your leaders either.

starik36 6y ago
Your links betray how long ago this has happened. You are using excuses from 2006 to justify why a group of people doesn't deserve democracy.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  I figured saying "The result of their last election led to..." made it clear when this happened. The blockade resulting from those events is still ongoing, these things aren't ancient history. The Palestinians definitely deserve democracy, however creating one will require more than just an election.
  - starik36 6y ago
    The blockade resulted from Hamas sniping at Israel with mortars and missiles and rockets for nearly 15 years - which also caused 2-3 major wars. The moment they stop their shenanigans is the day the blockade ends. I agree that creating a democracy needs more than just an election. However, perhaps letting them vote in some new people might result in governance that is willing to play ball and come up with some kind of agreement.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      >The blockade resulted from Hamas sniping at Israel with mortars and missiles and rockets for nearly 15 years - which also caused 2-3 major wars It was initiated as part of the postelection economic sanctions. Israel cites the rocket attacks for making it necessary to continue, but that is not the start. >However, perhaps letting them vote in some new people might result in governance that is willing to play ball and come up with some kind of agreement. Or it gives the US and Israel a chance to rectify their previous mistake and ensure their chosen candidates win. Democracy!