These discussions are kinda pointless if we don't have a baseline agreement of what's a project or a plan. Is "we will build a CRM" a plan? Is "we will build

These discussions are kinda pointless if we don't have a baseline agreement of what's a project or a plan. Is "we will build a CRM" a plan? Is "we will build a mobile CRM app" a twice as detailed plan than the one before?