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> Unfortunately many gig workers don't have the privilege. I'm assuming here but you probably had another job and benefits. There are many workers who don't, an

> Unfortunately many gig workers don't have the privilege. I'm assuming here but you probably had another job and benefits. There are many workers who don't, and are turning to Uber or Lyft just to put food on the table and are being forced into working without paid vacation, sick leave, or benefits simply because they have no other options. These drivers who can't put food on the table without Uber(which I've personally never met) in Califoria seem in a far worse position now. No one is forcing them to do anything. They not only get to decide if they want to work, but how much, and when. And every time these laws are passed most Uber and Lyft drivers always seem far more worried they will lose their income source than they are excited they might get benefits. And almost all of my Uber and Lyft drivers had another source of income, were retired, were raising children, or had a medical condition that kept them from holding down a full time job.

lefrenchy 6y ago
> No one is forcing them to do anything. They not only get to decide if they want to work, but how much, and when. No they don't.. Their material conditions dictate how much they need to work to meet their basic needs (food, utilities, rent). You're assuming that people who are living paycheck to paycheck, who are backed against a wall, have the option to pick and choose if, when, and how much they work. The people in those situations are the ones we need to work the hardest to protect because they are the most vulnerable to poor conditions and exploitation/coercion. Without protections they contribute to the race to the bottom simply by nature of having no other options, making them willing to work without benefits or for low wages. > And almost all of my Uber and Lyft drivers had another source of income, were retired, were raising children, or had a medical condition that kept them from holding down a full time job. This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits.
- chasd00 6y ago
  "This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits." well they sure as shit aren't getting _anything_ now. What a hollow victory.
- JamesBarney 6y ago
  Sorry I meant no one is forcing them to work for Lyft/Uber. Everyone who decided to work for Lyft and Uber because it made their life better. Would they have made that same choice if they had a trust fund that met all their basic needs? Probably not. > This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits. Yes I'm using anecdotes from talking with Uber drivers, which isn't as good as a study. But it is better than what you are doing which is speculating. Have you had the experience that almost all of your Uber drivers were hoping for full time employment, with a boss, and working on a set schedule? This bill will completely change what a job looks like for Uber and Lyft. People choose to work for Uber and Lyft for the flexibility that accommodates different life circumstances not for the pay. This bill will destroy that flexibility, it will improve the lives of a small % of Uber and Lyft's drivers who want to work full time and get benefits from Lyft and Uber. But this will worsen the lives of everyone who works there precisely because of the flexibility.

lefrenchy 6y ago

> No one is forcing them to do anything. They not only get to decide if they want to work, but how much, and when. No they don't.. Their material conditions dictate how much they need to work to meet their basic needs (food, utilities, rent). You're assuming that people who are living paycheck to paycheck, who are backed against a wall, have the option to pick and choose if, when, and how much they work. The people in those situations are the ones we need to work the hardest to protect because they are the most vulnerable to poor conditions and exploitation/coercion. Without protections they contribute to the race to the bottom simply by nature of having no other options, making them willing to work without benefits or for low wages. > And almost all of my Uber and Lyft drivers had another source of income, were retired, were raising children, or had a medical condition that kept them from holding down a full time job. This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits.

chasd00 6y ago
"This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits." well they sure as shit aren't getting _anything_ now. What a hollow victory.
JamesBarney 6y ago
Sorry I meant no one is forcing them to work for Lyft/Uber. Everyone who decided to work for Lyft and Uber because it made their life better. Would they have made that same choice if they had a trust fund that met all their basic needs? Probably not. > This is entirely anecdotal, on top of the fact that "raising children" or "having a medical condition" should not be an excuse to be denied economic stability and benefits. Yes I'm using anecdotes from talking with Uber drivers, which isn't as good as a study. But it is better than what you are doing which is speculating. Have you had the experience that almost all of your Uber drivers were hoping for full time employment, with a boss, and working on a set schedule? This bill will completely change what a job looks like for Uber and Lyft. People choose to work for Uber and Lyft for the flexibility that accommodates different life circumstances not for the pay. This bill will destroy that flexibility, it will improve the lives of a small % of Uber and Lyft's drivers who want to work full time and get benefits from Lyft and Uber. But this will worsen the lives of everyone who works there precisely because of the flexibility.