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I'm not seeing the distinction. Why is hardware relevant? If Epic sold a "Fortnite tablet" would this somehow change the legality of Epic's monopoly on selling

by baddox 6y ago

I'm not seeing the distinction. Why is hardware relevant? If Epic sold a "Fortnite tablet" would this somehow change the legality of Epic's monopoly on selling digital items in Fortnite?

romanoderoma 6y ago
> Why is hardware relevant? Because it's the part that people should own after they bought it. You can play Fortnite without buying anything on the Epic store. You can't use an iPhone without being forced by Apple to use the device the way they want. Many probably like it that way, that's not the point, the point is that if Safari is the root of many exploit for iOS (https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/1260541578747064326 https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/1260541578747064326) users cannot disable it and replace it with something else, something more secure That completely hinder the free (as in freedom) utilization of the device > If Epic sold a "Fortnite tablet" would this somehow change the legality of Epic's monopoly on selling digital items in Fortnite? Of course it would! It would be a monopoly nonetheless Even though a table that can only play Fortnite cannot clearly be classified as general computing platform. But it would probably be based on Android, being iOS not available for third parties, and allow sideloading. The same point could be made about Amazon and the Kindle, but Amazon allows self publishing and direct sell for free.
- baddox 6y ago
  > Because it's the part that people should own after they bought it. Why? Is that just an arbitrary principle? Why should "hardware" be something we have absolute control over, but "software" is not? > You can play Fortnite without buying anything on the Epic store. You can use an iPhone without using the App Store. But in both cases, it's probably just not as good of an experience. > You can't use an iPhone without being forced by Apple to use the device the way they want. That seems like some rhetorical gymnastics that could be applied to any product or service. You can't use cheating software in Fortnite either (or at least they presumably have measures in place to prevent it). > Of course it would! Okay, then you're consistent. I'll give you that. Presumably you think courts should require manufacturers of literally all electronic devices to provide an easy way for owners to run any software they want?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    > Why? Is that just an arbitrary principle? Why should "hardware" be something we have absolute control over, but "software" is not? I don't disagree with the general sentiment but 1) hardware is your property, you buy it and you should be able to use it the way you want. Also it's harder to replace it, you can easily change the gas station, it's harder to change a car. 2) the problem with Apple (but also Google Play store in many ways) is that you buy hardware capable of doing something that the software doesn't permit. Not because it's not capable of doing it, but because the manufacturer don't want you to use it that way. But in the general you're right, I'm a big advocate of free software, and I've been since the middle 90s, because I think you should have total control over it. Including changing the parts that don't fit your needs. I'm also in favour of using cheats if you want to, but in a tournament things have to be fair and that's where I think you shouldn't use them, in the same way I think doping at the Olympic games should not be allowed.

by baddox 6y ago

I'm not seeing the distinction. Why is hardware relevant? If Epic sold a "Fortnite tablet" would this somehow change the legality of Epic's monopoly on selling digital items in Fortnite?

romanoderoma 6y ago

> Why is hardware relevant? Because it's the part that people should own after they bought it. You can play Fortnite without buying anything on the Epic store. You can't use an iPhone without being forced by Apple to use the device the way they want. Many probably like it that way, that's not the point, the point is that if Safari is the root of many exploit for iOS (https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/1260541578747064326 https://twitter.com/Zerodium/status/1260541578747064326) users cannot disable it and replace it with something else, something more secure That completely hinder the free (as in freedom) utilization of the device > If Epic sold a "Fortnite tablet" would this somehow change the legality of Epic's monopoly on selling digital items in Fortnite? Of course it would! It would be a monopoly nonetheless Even though a table that can only play Fortnite cannot clearly be classified as general computing platform. But it would probably be based on Android, being iOS not available for third parties, and allow sideloading. The same point could be made about Amazon and the Kindle, but Amazon allows self publishing and direct sell for free.

baddox 6y ago
> Because it's the part that people should own after they bought it. Why? Is that just an arbitrary principle? Why should "hardware" be something we have absolute control over, but "software" is not? > You can play Fortnite without buying anything on the Epic store. You can use an iPhone without using the App Store. But in both cases, it's probably just not as good of an experience. > You can't use an iPhone without being forced by Apple to use the device the way they want. That seems like some rhetorical gymnastics that could be applied to any product or service. You can't use cheating software in Fortnite either (or at least they presumably have measures in place to prevent it). > Of course it would! Okay, then you're consistent. I'll give you that. Presumably you think courts should require manufacturers of literally all electronic devices to provide an easy way for owners to run any software they want?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  > Why? Is that just an arbitrary principle? Why should "hardware" be something we have absolute control over, but "software" is not? I don't disagree with the general sentiment but 1) hardware is your property, you buy it and you should be able to use it the way you want. Also it's harder to replace it, you can easily change the gas station, it's harder to change a car. 2) the problem with Apple (but also Google Play store in many ways) is that you buy hardware capable of doing something that the software doesn't permit. Not because it's not capable of doing it, but because the manufacturer don't want you to use it that way. But in the general you're right, I'm a big advocate of free software, and I've been since the middle 90s, because I think you should have total control over it. Including changing the parts that don't fit your needs. I'm also in favour of using cheats if you want to, but in a tournament things have to be fair and that's where I think you shouldn't use them, in the same way I think doping at the Olympic games should not be allowed.