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You're asking a lot of questions that can be answered with Google. With regards to my experiences- I've spent years as an independent contractor. My linkedin i

by tedivm 6y ago

You're asking a lot of questions that can be answered with Google. With regards to my experiences- I've spent years as an independent contractor. My linkedin is in my profile, feel free to confirm. I know the pros and cons of being an independent contractor and have followed the changes in the law both on the federal and local level. I'd say I'm fairly well versed in it. Your argument about how "employee == full time" is just a straw man. No one is requiring people to be full time. In fact "flexibility"- which in most survays done on drivers is one of their top concerns- is preserved with the legal cases and subsequent AB5 legislation. The only difference is that as employees drivers would also get paid for idle time while waiting for rides, would have the option of benefits, and Uber would be responsible for paying unemployment taxes for when those riders lose their jobs (like when a pandemic hits).

manigandham 6y ago
So you didn't talk to any drivers? None of those questions are for Google. They question your position, and it seems that's why you didn't answer. Why did you ever work as a contractor if you're against not having a min wage and benefits? You claim that's "right" so what changed? Why impose that on others instead of choosing for yourself? Flexibility means work when, where, and however long you want. AB5 removes this. Employee classification means preset shifts, which means it's only viable with fewer drivers working set schedules in dense areas instead of the fluid supply/demand with high coverage that exists today. This fundamentally changes the service from what consumers want, and that's why it doesn't work.
- tedivm 6y ago
  So what you're saying is that surveys with statistically significant numbers or respondents are not as important as the anecdotal evidence that comes with talking to a handful of people. I don't drive often- I use public transit and lyft. I have talked to drivers, and most of them are pissed that their wages are dropping every year but they can't do things like unionize as they aren't "real employees". My anecdotal evidence, which you value so highly, lines up with what I've been saying. > Employee classification means preset shifts This is factually wrong. California doesn't have any law requiring "shifts". It does have a law saying that companies which enforce shifts (such as saying someone needs to be in the office from nine to five) give a minimum of four hours pay if they send people home early, but that's a huge difference from what you're saying. There are tons of examples of this too- "work from home data entry" is a big field in California, and while they often have deadlines they rarely schedule specific shifts.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    What I'm saying is what I said. Why don't you answer the questions? Wages decrease because there's more supply than demand. That's why surge pricing exists. The issue isn't the feedback (surveys align with the thousands I've talked to), it's that you don't think AB5 affects flexibility. However paying by time requires shifts. Ridesharing needs to meet demand. Employees have to be placed in the best location and time to avoid idle drivers. This would lead to fewer drivers working longer hours and less coverage. This changes the service that people expect and pay for, leading to less riders and then even less drivers in a bad feedback loop. All because some people don't think other people can choose how to spend their own time.

by tedivm 6y ago

manigandham 6y ago

So you didn't talk to any drivers? None of those questions are for Google. They question your position, and it seems that's why you didn't answer. Why did you ever work as a contractor if you're against not having a min wage and benefits? You claim that's "right" so what changed? Why impose that on others instead of choosing for yourself? Flexibility means work when, where, and however long you want. AB5 removes this. Employee classification means preset shifts, which means it's only viable with fewer drivers working set schedules in dense areas instead of the fluid supply/demand with high coverage that exists today. This fundamentally changes the service from what consumers want, and that's why it doesn't work.

tedivm 6y ago
So what you're saying is that surveys with statistically significant numbers or respondents are not as important as the anecdotal evidence that comes with talking to a handful of people. I don't drive often- I use public transit and lyft. I have talked to drivers, and most of them are pissed that their wages are dropping every year but they can't do things like unionize as they aren't "real employees". My anecdotal evidence, which you value so highly, lines up with what I've been saying. > Employee classification means preset shifts This is factually wrong. California doesn't have any law requiring "shifts". It does have a law saying that companies which enforce shifts (such as saying someone needs to be in the office from nine to five) give a minimum of four hours pay if they send people home early, but that's a huge difference from what you're saying. There are tons of examples of this too- "work from home data entry" is a big field in California, and while they often have deadlines they rarely schedule specific shifts.
- manigandham 6y ago
  What I'm saying is what I said. Why don't you answer the questions? Wages decrease because there's more supply than demand. That's why surge pricing exists. The issue isn't the feedback (surveys align with the thousands I've talked to), it's that you don't think AB5 affects flexibility. However paying by time requires shifts. Ridesharing needs to meet demand. Employees have to be placed in the best location and time to avoid idle drivers. This would lead to fewer drivers working longer hours and less coverage. This changes the service that people expect and pay for, leading to less riders and then even less drivers in a bad feedback loop. All because some people don't think other people can choose how to spend their own time.