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Said differently: "Reddit banned nearly 7,000 subreddits, but left alone the ones that contribute 82% of hate content." That seems like a dismal result, practi

Said differently: "Reddit banned nearly 7,000 subreddits, but left alone the ones that contribute 82% of hate content." That seems like a dismal result, practically an admission that many of the bans were unjustified and/or subs that should have been banned were not.

laurent92 6y ago
Very true and interesting twist of fate. I find it amusing that any group becomes very good in science only once they’re under attack. See Galileo: They defined the scientific process when they were under bigoted criticism. In fact, the best way to ensure that a group who’s right makes an excellent demonstration of their correctness, is to censor them and tell them they’re wrong. That is how we get incredible advances of science. And that is also how huge totems become mainstream. Think « Winnie the Poo » in China, or the « 13% » number in USA.
tomlagier 6y ago
I think it just depends on the number of subreddits. If 7,000 is 1% of subs, then it seems like a good investment. If it's 30%, then yeah, that's.. not great.
- gruez 6y ago
  >I think it just depends on the number of subreddits the number of subreddits shouldn't matter, what actually should matter is post volume.
  - sukilot 6y ago
    View volume.
pietrovismara 6y ago
The last bunch of bans was simply a leftist purge, banning several subreddits that at most advocated violence against landlords, not really a "minority".
- Someone1234 6y ago
  Calls for violence have been against Reddit's policy forever, and is also often illegal. It has nothing to do with minority status.
- thunkpad 6y ago
  Back to coded language to express frustration we go...
- meowface 6y ago
  >that at most advocated violence against [...] Are we really doing this?
- john-shaffer 6y ago
  How are landlords not a minority? Are 50% of people landlords? (Asking seriously - I don't understand what definition of minority is being used here.)
Nitrolo 6y ago
Here's a post breaking down a few details of the ban wave: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/understanding_hate_on_reddit_and_the_impact_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/unde... As you can see a big majority, over three quarters, of banned subreddits had less than ten users, and 99% had less than 5000 subscribers. It's very possible that the other 82% are distributed over the larger, more popular subreddits which are not encouraging hate speech. As an example, if someone posted antisemitic content on r/dataisbeautiful, that might be counted towards those 82% but that is not a reason to ban the whole subreddit.
- bra-ket 6y ago
  most of the popular subreddits encourage hate against police and Trump supporters, just see how much cheering you get when there is a video of BLM assaulting someone wearing MAGA hat, or a white "Karen" (typically middle-aged white woman) is humiliated or assaulted by mob, or an officer sprayed and blinded when arresting some looter. These threads full of raging hate are reaching Reddit front page on regular basis, with tens of thousands of upvotes and tons of social "awards", while anything going against the social justice narrative is shut down immediately, like in that 18% ban which affected many dissenting subreddits. There are popular subreddits literally encouraging racial segregation, like "BPT Country Club" which requires sending picture of your forearm to prove you're black in order to participate. This kind of thing radicalizes people on both sides.
  - bryal 6y ago
    Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!
    - bra-ket 6y ago
      the thing is 'racist' these days means 'you disagree with my opinion', it's just a meaningless label used to cancel people whose voice you want to suppress if anything BLM propaganda combined with violence and unprecedented popular support really remind me the rise of these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung they use the same bullying and intimidation tactics to grab political power

laurent92 6y ago

Very true and interesting twist of fate. I find it amusing that any group becomes very good in science only once they’re under attack. See Galileo: They defined the scientific process when they were under bigoted criticism. In fact, the best way to ensure that a group who’s right makes an excellent demonstration of their correctness, is to censor them and tell them they’re wrong. That is how we get incredible advances of science. And that is also how huge totems become mainstream. Think « Winnie the Poo » in China, or the « 13% » number in USA.

tomlagier 6y ago

I think it just depends on the number of subreddits. If 7,000 is 1% of subs, then it seems like a good investment. If it's 30%, then yeah, that's.. not great.

gruez 6y ago
>I think it just depends on the number of subreddits the number of subreddits shouldn't matter, what actually should matter is post volume.
- sukilot 6y ago
  View volume.

pietrovismara 6y ago

The last bunch of bans was simply a leftist purge, banning several subreddits that at most advocated violence against landlords, not really a "minority".

Someone1234 6y ago
Calls for violence have been against Reddit's policy forever, and is also often illegal. It has nothing to do with minority status.
thunkpad 6y ago
Back to coded language to express frustration we go...
meowface 6y ago
>that at most advocated violence against [...] Are we really doing this?
john-shaffer 6y ago
How are landlords not a minority? Are 50% of people landlords? (Asking seriously - I don't understand what definition of minority is being used here.)

Nitrolo 6y ago

Here's a post breaking down a few details of the ban wave: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/understanding_hate_on_reddit_and_the_impact_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/redditsecurity/comments/idclo1/unde... As you can see a big majority, over three quarters, of banned subreddits had less than ten users, and 99% had less than 5000 subscribers. It's very possible that the other 82% are distributed over the larger, more popular subreddits which are not encouraging hate speech. As an example, if someone posted antisemitic content on r/dataisbeautiful, that might be counted towards those 82% but that is not a reason to ban the whole subreddit.

bra-ket 6y ago
most of the popular subreddits encourage hate against police and Trump supporters, just see how much cheering you get when there is a video of BLM assaulting someone wearing MAGA hat, or a white "Karen" (typically middle-aged white woman) is humiliated or assaulted by mob, or an officer sprayed and blinded when arresting some looter. These threads full of raging hate are reaching Reddit front page on regular basis, with tens of thousands of upvotes and tons of social "awards", while anything going against the social justice narrative is shut down immediately, like in that 18% ban which affected many dissenting subreddits. There are popular subreddits literally encouraging racial segregation, like "BPT Country Club" which requires sending picture of your forearm to prove you're black in order to participate. This kind of thing radicalizes people on both sides.
- bryal 6y ago
  Right, because hating someone for being a jew and hating someone for being a racist are totally equivalent. Both sides are bad! Only us enlightened centrists realize that you have to take everything in moderation, and must both hate and accept jews and racists equally much!
  - bra-ket 6y ago
    the thing is 'racist' these days means 'you disagree with my opinion', it's just a meaningless label used to cancel people whose voice you want to suppress if anything BLM propaganda combined with violence and unprecedented popular support really remind me the rise of these guys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung they use the same bullying and intimidation tactics to grab political power