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How is religion immutable when political affiliation is not?

gruez 6y ago
Theoretically both should fall under the same umbrella as "ideology", but in reality religion is given special protections. eg. in US law, religion is a protected class (you discriminate on it), whereas political affiliation isn't.
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ip26 6y ago
Race & religion are sometimes deeply entwined, see Jewish. Imagine if Jewish ethnicity was a protected class but Jewish religion was not. How would that even work in practice? "I was not discriminating against the Jews on account of being ethnic Jews but rather on account of their Jewish faith, your Honor!"
- haunter 6y ago
  Classic case of /r/politics where if you say anything negative about Israel (the state and its government) then you are automatically flagged and banned as an antisemite
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  Is there any other example of a "religion" that is both a religion and an ethnicity?
  - ip26 6y ago
    Mennonite (Amish) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group
- nailer 6y ago
  That would be reasonable. For example, if someone chooses very orthodox or liberal beliefs (whether Christian, Muslim or Jewish or Atheist) and they clash with your beliefs, you should be able to fire them at will.
  - schwartzworld 6y ago
    Why should an employer be allowed to fire someone for religious beliefs, unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job?
    - nailer 6y ago
      >> and they clash with your beliefs > unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job Clashing with their employer would make someone unable to do their job
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  When most people describe Judaism this way they are only thinking of Ashkenazi Jews. My family comes from eastern Europe. We are not the same race as Ethiopian Jews. Nor do we have the same food, music or culture any more than a Christian from Mexico and a Christian from China. The idea of race is deeply flawed and riddled with contradictions. it has no real meaning in terms of genetics.
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  - ip26 6y ago
    Are you finding fault with my point or simply trying to expand or add color? I hear a dissenting bent but am unable to connect your comment to the topic of what makes immutable vs mutable characteristics. Also, I cannot help but observe, whether or not race has meaning in genetics, we cannot simply pretend the social construct does not exist. Therefore it's still relevant & topical to discrimination & protected classes. It's literally right there in the Civil Rights Act.
    - schwartzworld 6y ago
      Yes, I was disagreeing with your description of Jews as a race. It's a very askenazi-centric view. Jews experienced a diaspora a very long time ago and are very diverse.

Theoretically both should fall under the same umbrella as "ideology", but in reality religion is given special protections. eg. in US law, religion is a protected class (you discriminate on it), whereas political affiliation isn't.

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ip26 6y ago

Race & religion are sometimes deeply entwined, see Jewish. Imagine if Jewish ethnicity was a protected class but Jewish religion was not. How would that even work in practice? "I was not discriminating against the Jews on account of being ethnic Jews but rather on account of their Jewish faith, your Honor!"

haunter 6y ago
Classic case of /r/politics where if you say anything negative about Israel (the state and its government) then you are automatically flagged and banned as an antisemite
throw_m239339 6y ago
Is there any other example of a "religion" that is both a religion and an ethnicity?
- ip26 6y ago
  Mennonite (Amish) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnoreligious_group
nailer 6y ago
That would be reasonable. For example, if someone chooses very orthodox or liberal beliefs (whether Christian, Muslim or Jewish or Atheist) and they clash with your beliefs, you should be able to fire them at will.
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  Why should an employer be allowed to fire someone for religious beliefs, unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job?
  - nailer 6y ago
    >> and they clash with your beliefs > unless they specifically make the person unable to do their job Clashing with their employer would make someone unable to do their job
schwartzworld 6y ago
When most people describe Judaism this way they are only thinking of Ashkenazi Jews. My family comes from eastern Europe. We are not the same race as Ethiopian Jews. Nor do we have the same food, music or culture any more than a Christian from Mexico and a Christian from China. The idea of race is deeply flawed and riddled with contradictions. it has no real meaning in terms of genetics.
- deleted 6y ago
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- ip26 6y ago
  Are you finding fault with my point or simply trying to expand or add color? I hear a dissenting bent but am unable to connect your comment to the topic of what makes immutable vs mutable characteristics. Also, I cannot help but observe, whether or not race has meaning in genetics, we cannot simply pretend the social construct does not exist. Therefore it's still relevant & topical to discrimination & protected classes. It's literally right there in the Civil Rights Act.
  - schwartzworld 6y ago
    Yes, I was disagreeing with your description of Jews as a race. It's a very askenazi-centric view. Jews experienced a diaspora a very long time ago and are very diverse.