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Exactly, I don't understand why everyone is quick to turn Apple into Android, when I bet they don't even have iPhones in the first place. I know the concensus o

Exactly, I don't understand why everyone is quick to turn Apple into Android, when I bet they don't even have iPhones in the first place. I know the concensus on HN is that Apple is a monopoly, but ALL my friends expect for one have androids. You can say "Well yes, but by % of revenue", but that's the point. All my friends will never give a penny to a play store App because it has the reputation of a Warez site, full of flashlight apps that need root permission to install.

monkmartinez 6y ago
I have had both and I prefer Android, but I am using an iPhone 11 right now. I would switch back to Android in heartbeat if there was a way for me to seamlessly message my children on their iPads similar to iOS. I use about 10 apps on my phone and they are all available on iOS and Android. Once my kids are old enough to be thoughtful users of a cell phone, I will switch back to Android.
romanoderoma 6y ago
> All my friends will never give a penny to a play store App Because they are buying a brand. If Play Store will start selling iOS apps, the same iOS apps they already know, at a discount they will immediately buy them. Because they are human after all.
- scarface74 6y ago
  How many apps are iOS only that are popular?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    How many apps are iOS only and not usable anywhere else? Is there something similar to this for iOS apps? https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21355997/microsoft-your-phone-app-windows-10-android-support https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21355997/microsoft-your-ph...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Microsoft is now allowing Windows 10 users to run Android apps side by side with Windows applications on a PC Apple announced that all iOS apps will run side by side with macOS apps when the ARM apps are released.
      - romanoderoma 6y ago
        Apple announced that you can run their own software on their own hardware that only they manufacture Microsoft Windows 10 can run on any compatible hardware I want, including virtual hardware (Mac OS cannot be legally virtualized on non Apple HW) Microsoft doesn't make Android and doesn't even manufacturers smartphones anymore, they'll embraced it as a compatible platform, as they did with Linux. From a developer standpoint that's a big step forward, from the user standpoint it reduces the friction between mobile and non mobile platforms, now they can run their apps on the most popular OS that they can run on practically any x86 HW they own. It's a pretty radical change. Apple running Apple doesn't change much Can you see the difference?
        scarface74 6y ago
        What’s the difference between running iOS apps on Macs and Android apps badly on Windows. 50% of users in the US own iPhones.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        US is hardly relevant for the rest of the World If you don't understand the difference between choice and no choice, I think you have bigger problems.
        scarface74 6y ago
        Do you expect Apple to run Android apps or license their OS? If I were running a business, why would I care about the low margin, no profit commodity PC or Android market.
fauigerzigerk 6y ago
>I know the concensus on HN is that Apple is a monopoly, but ALL my friends expect for one have androids. The monopoly that Epic is complaining about is not a monopoly on smartphones or smartphone operating systems. It's a monopoly on selling iOS apps and processing payments for iOS apps and content. You cannot allow a global duopoly of companies that managed to become the infrastructure for a large part of our economy to take a cut of all or most business that is done on top of that infrastructure. Imagine we had allowed that to happen with telephone networks or roads. Whoever came first would have been able to suck the air out of the rest of the economy.
- donmcronald 6y ago
  Imagine if 30% of your A/C electricity bill went to Nikola Telsa Inc. and the internet was filled with people telling you it's not a monopoly because you have the option of D/C. The same people claim the app store is this magically perfect service that provides infinite value for both developers and users. If that's the case no one would choose to use a 3rd party app store, so having the option would make no difference. The reality IMO is that developers would try to flock to an app store with better terms and users would cling to the existing model. To me, a fantastic outcome would be if Apple gets forced to allow developers to inform users they can pay for subscriptions outside the app store and to charge +30% to people that still want to use the app store. Then all the users defending Apple can put their money where their mouth is. Then add in competing app stores that don't take a 30% cut and all of a sudden you'll have "dedicated" Apple users flocking to the new stores to save a buck.

monkmartinez 6y ago

I have had both and I prefer Android, but I am using an iPhone 11 right now. I would switch back to Android in heartbeat if there was a way for me to seamlessly message my children on their iPads similar to iOS. I use about 10 apps on my phone and they are all available on iOS and Android. Once my kids are old enough to be thoughtful users of a cell phone, I will switch back to Android.

romanoderoma 6y ago

> All my friends will never give a penny to a play store App Because they are buying a brand. If Play Store will start selling iOS apps, the same iOS apps they already know, at a discount they will immediately buy them. Because they are human after all.

scarface74 6y ago
How many apps are iOS only that are popular?
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  How many apps are iOS only and not usable anywhere else? Is there something similar to this for iOS apps? https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21355997/microsoft-your-phone-app-windows-10-android-support https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21355997/microsoft-your-ph...
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Microsoft is now allowing Windows 10 users to run Android apps side by side with Windows applications on a PC Apple announced that all iOS apps will run side by side with macOS apps when the ARM apps are released.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Apple announced that you can run their own software on their own hardware that only they manufacture Microsoft Windows 10 can run on any compatible hardware I want, including virtual hardware (Mac OS cannot be legally virtualized on non Apple HW) Microsoft doesn't make Android and doesn't even manufacturers smartphones anymore, they'll embraced it as a compatible platform, as they did with Linux. From a developer standpoint that's a big step forward, from the user standpoint it reduces the friction between mobile and non mobile platforms, now they can run their apps on the most popular OS that they can run on practically any x86 HW they own. It's a pretty radical change. Apple running Apple doesn't change much Can you see the difference?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        What’s the difference between running iOS apps on Macs and Android apps badly on Windows. 50% of users in the US own iPhones.
        romanoderoma 6y ago
        US is hardly relevant for the rest of the World If you don't understand the difference between choice and no choice, I think you have bigger problems.
        scarface74 6y ago
        Do you expect Apple to run Android apps or license their OS? If I were running a business, why would I care about the low margin, no profit commodity PC or Android market.

fauigerzigerk 6y ago

>I know the concensus on HN is that Apple is a monopoly, but ALL my friends expect for one have androids. The monopoly that Epic is complaining about is not a monopoly on smartphones or smartphone operating systems. It's a monopoly on selling iOS apps and processing payments for iOS apps and content. You cannot allow a global duopoly of companies that managed to become the infrastructure for a large part of our economy to take a cut of all or most business that is done on top of that infrastructure. Imagine we had allowed that to happen with telephone networks or roads. Whoever came first would have been able to suck the air out of the rest of the economy.

donmcronald 6y ago
Imagine if 30% of your A/C electricity bill went to Nikola Telsa Inc. and the internet was filled with people telling you it's not a monopoly because you have the option of D/C. The same people claim the app store is this magically perfect service that provides infinite value for both developers and users. If that's the case no one would choose to use a 3rd party app store, so having the option would make no difference. The reality IMO is that developers would try to flock to an app store with better terms and users would cling to the existing model. To me, a fantastic outcome would be if Apple gets forced to allow developers to inform users they can pay for subscriptions outside the app store and to charge +30% to people that still want to use the app store. Then all the users defending Apple can put their money where their mouth is. Then add in competing app stores that don't take a 30% cut and all of a sudden you'll have "dedicated" Apple users flocking to the new stores to save a buck.