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>Trump supporters I know (family, not by choice) What is the implication here? Is it bad to have friends who are Trump supporters? EDIT: I see my point of pol

>Trump supporters I know (family, not by choice) What is the implication here? Is it bad to have friends who are Trump supporters? EDIT: I see my point of political bias proven, complete with intolerance, rationalization of said intolerance, gross assumptions, and overall it leaves me disappointed that the HN crowd allows this.

ideals 6y ago
I judge people (not solely) based on who they choose to associate with, so for me ya it is bad. To put it more bluntly, if you surround yourself with shitty people, I'll assume you're a shitty person.
- sunopener 6y ago
  You surround yourself with 7.8 billion people who shit nearly every day. To put it bluntly, you are judging yourself when you take yourself to be judging others, you claim an excuse that associating with others leads to your own self-admitted "badness"... You judge yourself, and rather than taking sentence with those aspects within, you externalize it and make assumptions based upon comparisons of your ideal shitty person, which deep down we both know that we are our own worst critics. This only leads down one road, self-annihilatory behavior. Learn to love yourself completely, you are not lacking, and to be honest, you taking yourself to be one that thinks of others or yourself as a shitty person is one of the most lovable parts about you.
  - trumpersHateMe 6y ago
    Does this reply have any coherence at all or is it just me? It reads very similar to a response I received from the owners of a fishing website that I used to frequent when I questioned them about BLM.
    - sunopener 6y ago
      "It has been stated that a text coheres only if the world around is also coherent." Further reading: https://www.lhn.uni-hamburg.de/node/69.html https://www.lhn.uni-hamburg.de/node/69.html That you'd ask yourself if this reply is coherent is a function of your own mind seeking meaning from what appears to be unresolved processing of a response you received from the owners of a phishing website. Given you used to frequent said site and received a text you deem similar when questioning them about BLM, is understandable, given that the narratives and subtopics generated are still in flux, history is continuing to be written and the echos of the past keep crowning into our collective reality by the mere attention placed upon them. A world where one loves themselves completely and thoroughly is often seen as incoherent due to the limitations one finds themselves confined in--usually in the form of narratives, beliefs, values aka the "already dead driftwood" of the mind--by taking themselves to be other than what they are, the past self in cahoots with the present self vying for the spotlight of consciousness, really just another form of communication, really. Where it breaks down and a text seems incoherent is when such attention is placed upon a text... perhaps you've been looking for incoherence ever since you received that response on that website you spoke of and couldn't bear the mind to let it go, so you carry it with you everywhere, perhaps not realizing that this gets triggered every time a text taps on the walls of your own self constructed limitations--in this case it's one of inner reflection and unconditional love for oneself in a world where everyone and everything is interconnected. That or you can call me a bumbling idiot. May you be Loved. <3
      - trumpersHateMe 6y ago
        So, if I understand this right, your love for yourself is so coherent that these ramblings are synonymous with coherence in your mind. In other words, your understanding of coherence is that it is subjective. Is that right?
        sunopener 6y ago
        You may be reaching(Watch yourself Love) for objective coherentism (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/) Coherence arises out of Love.
    - RobRivera 6y ago
      >Username: trumpersHateMe Nice, novelty accounts on hn. That's lovely. I accrue some great insights from this sites river, but I should probably start curating my own river again. The insightful:judgemental signal-noise ratio is trending in a direction I simply fine unstimulating of productive discourse.
      - BrianOnHN 6y ago
        > insightful:judgemental signal-noise ratio I think that's a worldwide phenomenon, not just HN.
BrianOnHN 6y ago
What I'm saying is I appreciate intelligent discourse from the people I choose to surround myself with. I'd love to hear from a credible left-leaning person about an example of intelligent discourse they had with a trump-supporter(not just a conservative, there's a difference). This morning, I walked pass a Trump 2020 campaign flag with the slogan "No more bullshit." What kind of intelligence went into displaying that kind of message in public?
shadowgovt 6y ago
One can choose friends, and when one chooses some friends, it casts strong suspicions on one's character. This is not new to human behavior or social structure.
trumpersHateMe 6y ago
> EDIT: I see my point of political bias proven, complete with intolerance, rationalization of said intolerance, gross assumptions, and overall it leaves me disappointed that the HN crowd allows this I would expect such a strong statement like this to be better explained. What has confirmed what? What is the logic behind your conclusion? Please share.

ideals 6y ago

I judge people (not solely) based on who they choose to associate with, so for me ya it is bad. To put it more bluntly, if you surround yourself with shitty people, I'll assume you're a shitty person.

sunopener 6y ago
You surround yourself with 7.8 billion people who shit nearly every day. To put it bluntly, you are judging yourself when you take yourself to be judging others, you claim an excuse that associating with others leads to your own self-admitted "badness"... You judge yourself, and rather than taking sentence with those aspects within, you externalize it and make assumptions based upon comparisons of your ideal shitty person, which deep down we both know that we are our own worst critics. This only leads down one road, self-annihilatory behavior. Learn to love yourself completely, you are not lacking, and to be honest, you taking yourself to be one that thinks of others or yourself as a shitty person is one of the most lovable parts about you.
- trumpersHateMe 6y ago
  Does this reply have any coherence at all or is it just me? It reads very similar to a response I received from the owners of a fishing website that I used to frequent when I questioned them about BLM.
  - sunopener 6y ago
    "It has been stated that a text coheres only if the world around is also coherent." Further reading: https://www.lhn.uni-hamburg.de/node/69.html https://www.lhn.uni-hamburg.de/node/69.html That you'd ask yourself if this reply is coherent is a function of your own mind seeking meaning from what appears to be unresolved processing of a response you received from the owners of a phishing website. Given you used to frequent said site and received a text you deem similar when questioning them about BLM, is understandable, given that the narratives and subtopics generated are still in flux, history is continuing to be written and the echos of the past keep crowning into our collective reality by the mere attention placed upon them. A world where one loves themselves completely and thoroughly is often seen as incoherent due to the limitations one finds themselves confined in--usually in the form of narratives, beliefs, values aka the "already dead driftwood" of the mind--by taking themselves to be other than what they are, the past self in cahoots with the present self vying for the spotlight of consciousness, really just another form of communication, really. Where it breaks down and a text seems incoherent is when such attention is placed upon a text... perhaps you've been looking for incoherence ever since you received that response on that website you spoke of and couldn't bear the mind to let it go, so you carry it with you everywhere, perhaps not realizing that this gets triggered every time a text taps on the walls of your own self constructed limitations--in this case it's one of inner reflection and unconditional love for oneself in a world where everyone and everything is interconnected. That or you can call me a bumbling idiot. May you be Loved. <3
    - trumpersHateMe 6y ago
      So, if I understand this right, your love for yourself is so coherent that these ramblings are synonymous with coherence in your mind. In other words, your understanding of coherence is that it is subjective. Is that right?
      - sunopener 6y ago
        You may be reaching(Watch yourself Love) for objective coherentism (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/ https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth-coherence/) Coherence arises out of Love.
  - RobRivera 6y ago
    >Username: trumpersHateMe Nice, novelty accounts on hn. That's lovely. I accrue some great insights from this sites river, but I should probably start curating my own river again. The insightful:judgemental signal-noise ratio is trending in a direction I simply fine unstimulating of productive discourse.
    - BrianOnHN 6y ago
      > insightful:judgemental signal-noise ratio I think that's a worldwide phenomenon, not just HN.

BrianOnHN 6y ago

What I'm saying is I appreciate intelligent discourse from the people I choose to surround myself with. I'd love to hear from a credible left-leaning person about an example of intelligent discourse they had with a trump-supporter(not just a conservative, there's a difference). This morning, I walked pass a Trump 2020 campaign flag with the slogan "No more bullshit." What kind of intelligence went into displaying that kind of message in public?

shadowgovt 6y ago

One can choose friends, and when one chooses some friends, it casts strong suspicions on one's character. This is not new to human behavior or social structure.

trumpersHateMe 6y ago

> EDIT: I see my point of political bias proven, complete with intolerance, rationalization of said intolerance, gross assumptions, and overall it leaves me disappointed that the HN crowd allows this I would expect such a strong statement like this to be better explained. What has confirmed what? What is the logic behind your conclusion? Please share.