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The US lost so much credibility from the failed NK summit. Absolutely nothing came of it. NK is still launching missiles. Relations are what they were before th

The US lost so much credibility from the failed NK summit. Absolutely nothing came of it. NK is still launching missiles. Relations are what they were before the summit.

Akronymus 6y ago
At least he tried. Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. For clarity: I think neither deserves it. Just that obama deserves it even less.
- malcolmgreaves 6y ago
  So you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. Or the Israel-Palestinian peace talks during his first term (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_talks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%8...). Unlike the Trump adminstration's current one, he didn't completely sideline Palestine. There's nothing constructive that will last from the Trump administration.
  - georgeplusplus 6y ago
    >>> So you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. The same Iran deal that was crafted to appease a tyrannical government? By your logic, Churchill should’ve got a peace prize for placating nazi Germany with appeasement. There are constructive things coming out of the trump administration. Specifically in regards to Russia, China, and Iran. Tolerating their abuse of the western values is not one I’d call constructive.
- op03 6y ago
  They both are Celebs. Pander to an existing base. Joke about/blame everyone else. Define success based on their Like counter. And most importantly produce no sustainable outcomes on any issue whatsoever. "He tried" is not what Leaders are remembered for.
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- dane-pgp 6y ago
  > Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. In 2013 the Obama administration actively tried to negotiate peace with the Taliban: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks-taliban-afghanistan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks...

The US lost so much credibility from the failed NK summit. Absolutely nothing came of it. NK is still launching missiles. Relations are what they were before the summit.

Akronymus 6y ago

At least he tried. Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. For clarity: I think neither deserves it. Just that obama deserves it even less.

malcolmgreaves 6y ago
So you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. Or the Israel-Palestinian peace talks during his first term (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_talks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%8...). Unlike the Trump adminstration's current one, he didn't completely sideline Palestine. There's nothing constructive that will last from the Trump administration.
- georgeplusplus 6y ago
  >>> So you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. The same Iran deal that was crafted to appease a tyrannical government? By your logic, Churchill should’ve got a peace prize for placating nazi Germany with appeasement. There are constructive things coming out of the trump administration. Specifically in regards to Russia, China, and Iran. Tolerating their abuse of the western values is not one I’d call constructive.
op03 6y ago
They both are Celebs. Pander to an existing base. Joke about/blame everyone else. Define success based on their Like counter. And most importantly produce no sustainable outcomes on any issue whatsoever. "He tried" is not what Leaders are remembered for.
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dane-pgp 6y ago
> Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. In 2013 the Obama administration actively tried to negotiate peace with the Taliban: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks-taliban-afghanistan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks...