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With Obama's absurd win at the very beginning of his presidency, before he could even do anything, the whole thing is pretty meaningless.
by Grakel 6y ago
With Obama's absurd win at the very beginning of his presidency, before he could even do anything, the whole thing is pretty meaningless.
- Akronymus 6y agoAt this point, trump honestly seems more deserving of the NPP, due to korea[1] and the middle east[2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Korea%E2%80%93United_States_Singapore_Summit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_North_Korea%E2%80%93Unite... [2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53770859 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53770859
- malcolmgreaves 6y agoThe US lost so much credibility from the failed NK summit. Absolutely nothing came of it. NK is still launching missiles. Relations are what they were before the summit.
- Akronymus 6y agoAt least he tried. Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. For clarity: I think neither deserves it. Just that obama deserves it even less.
- malcolmgreaves 6y agoSo you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. Or the Israel-Palestinian peace talks during his first term (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_peace_talks https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%9311_Israeli%E2%8...). Unlike the Trump adminstration's current one, he didn't completely sideline Palestine. There's nothing constructive that will last from the Trump administration.
- georgeplusplus 6y ago>>> So you're ignoring the multi-nation denuclearization treaty with Iran that was working. The one that Trump unilaterally pulled the US out of, collapsing it and giving Iran the perfect excuse. The same Iran deal that was crafted to appease a tyrannical government? By your logic, Churchill should’ve got a peace prize for placating nazi Germany with appeasement. There are constructive things coming out of the trump administration. Specifically in regards to Russia, China, and Iran. Tolerating their abuse of the western values is not one I’d call constructive.
- op03 6y agoThey both are Celebs. Pander to an existing base. Joke about/blame everyone else. Define success based on their Like counter. And most importantly produce no sustainable outcomes on any issue whatsoever. "He tried" is not what Leaders are remembered for.
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- dane-pgp 6y ago> Can't really recall any instances of obama actively trying to negotiate peace. In 2013 the Obama administration actively tried to negotiate peace with the Taliban: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks-taliban-afghanistan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/18/us-peace-talks...
- georgeplusplus 6y agoUh oh you said the T word. mash downvote button Hacker news becoming same shithole reddit is.
- liability 6y agoObama is far from the most absurd example. The notorious war criminal Henry Kissinger got it years before Obama did.
- dehrmann 6y agoAlleged war criminal. He's also an incredibly successful and accomplished diplomat.
- liability 6y agoOnly 'alleged' because he's politically connected and aligned with America, and will therefore never go to trial. Or do you also object with 'allegedly' when people call Bush the Younger a war criminal as well? He'll never see a trial either for the same reason, but he is nevertheless a war criminal.
- lenkite 6y agoA successful and accomplished diplomat who regularly called the folks he practised "diplomacy" with 4-letter words, racist slurs and shockingly demeaning insults. Look up his transcripts. His personal animus sabotaged so many things for the US. And then he had the gall to publish a book and boast about his "accomplishments". The type of guy who makes Trump look like a Saint.
- V-2 6y agoAl Gore is another example that comes to mind. The EU was rather dubious too.