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They go by many names, but there is a Strong undercurrent of "Capitalism Bad we must have socialism" crowd on the far left that hate individual freedoms and rig
by syshum 6y ago
They go by many names, but there is a Strong undercurrent of "Capitalism Bad we must have socialism" crowd on the far left that hate individual freedoms and rights and prefer Group rights and entitlements. That promote equality of outcome not equality of opportunity. That reject merit and instead want to define people based on dynamics of intersectionality.
>>AntiVax - Flat Earth
To Attribute them only to far right tells me you do not really understand these groups. They are not left or right politically, especially anti-vax for which many have far-left economic and social positions
- arp242 6y agoA different/wrong/naïve political ideology is not the same as "Hilary Clinton is literally raping children in the basement of a pizza restaurant".
- syshum 6y agoOk how about "the Milwaukee police covering up for a sex traffic ring"
- arp242 6y agoI don't know anything about this, so I can't comment. But sex trafficking and cover-ups do happen; see: Jimmy Savile, Catholic church, Epstein, Bill Cosby, etc. From a very quick search it seems that the police didn't take several cases serious, and were at the very least rather lax in their attitude. In other words, there's at least an actual crime and at least some smoke. It's not something invented from nothing. And this is the real danger of this sort of politicized conspiracy bullshit: now this is automatically seen as "politically motivated" instead of actually looking at the matter at hand. People who spread pizzagate-esque conspiracy theories or enable them are very much harming the anti-paedophilia efforts.
- baddox 6y agoMaybe I’m just out of the loop, but I haven’t heard that one, and I find it hard to believe it’s anywhere near as widespread as QAnon.
- throwaway3699 6y agoPeople literally believe Trump is worse than Hitler. How is that not just as bad?
- arp242 6y agoI've spent significant amounts of time in left-wing circles and I've never seen anyone say anything close to that. Perhaps there are a few people on the extreme fringes who think so – you can always find one or two nutcases – but they don't represent anything near the mainstream.
- pjc50 6y agoI've certainly seen people say that, but never seriously. Of course someone will now claim that all the Qanon stuff is just joking, like Alex Jones said that libelling the Sandy Hook survivors was "entertainment".
- throwaway3699 6y agoCNN literally aired this phrase on television: https://mobile.twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1165666060609183744 https://mobile.twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1165666060... If I were to go into work saying I supported Trump, I risk getting fired, because of rhetoric like this.
- input_sh 6y agoCan we stop pretending that CNN has anything to do with the "far left"?
- throwaway3699 6y agoThe mountain of evidence disagrees with you.
- edgyquant 6y agoLet's see this evidence
- wolco 6y agoI think the story was the owner of said pizza joint had underaged pictures on one of his social media profiles and was using the place to arrange Epstein trips. Bill Clinton was a visitor to the island where these arragements happened. Hilary Clinton broke the law and setup a private email server that was hacked. There is a movie on netflix about Epstein the island. This is a news story about a series of events. It is not the same as a political ideology.
- not2b 6y agoNo, you are libeling a completely innocent pizza joint owner. Please stop. Someone fell for those false storied and shot up the place, and fortunately no one was killed. The made-up "Pizzagate" story has nothing to do with the very real Epstein crimes (and Donald Trump had a closer and longer association with Epstein than Bill Clinton). Young girls were abused on Epstein's island. They were not abused in the basement of a pizza place, as the original story went; it didn't even have a basement, as the gunman who was all set to rescue the nonexistent victims discovered.
- wolco 6y agoThe hacked emails pointed to the pizza joint. The social media profile of the owner did have inappropiate images and support for groups who support inappropriate relationships. Someone thinking girls were locked in the basement and deciding to storm the place is a sign of a mental health issue. But his actions doesn't make the known facts false.
- ycadict 6y ago1) The place has no basement 2) He did not have in appropriate pictures 3) The "Emails" where all about going to have pizza and some turd burger made a connection to something that wasn't there" 4) that's all on netflix too
- wolco 6y ago2) He did have them on his social media profile and he was in support of a group that wanted more man/kid relationships. This wasn't part of the movie but I remember this going down on reddit. I agree with all of your other points.
- devtul 6y ago>different/wrong/naïve political ideology Folks with this "naive" political ideology are shooting at people and kicking peoples head on the streets. Many innocent have died in the riots, much more have lost their business to looting. I don't see conservatives having a hard time condemning the pizza place shooter or any other similar act, but I see a lot of leftists rationalism and even denying altogether the bad actions of their bad people. They even cheer their bad actors on.
- IanDrake 6y agoIn a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoThere's no difference, many believers doesn't make the idea sane.
- dataduck 6y agoHow about "literally everything wrong with the world is caused by an evil conspiracy of cis-het white men?" It's a common belief and not less crazy.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y agoYou're correct about the antivax folks, but I do think flat earth is largely a right-leaning phenomenon. That aside... > equality of outcome not equality of opportunity Equality of opportunity is no greater thing to cherish. Opportunity comes from circumstance, and therefore this equates to wishing for equality in circumstances. Boiling this down to its fundamentals, this would mean important life decisions like whether to have children (and how many), what kind of hobbies and preferences people have, etc., would be left to the whims of balancing acts by the state.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoAbility comes from circumstance, opportunity comes from free will.