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I think of it as we can see its not right just now and there are no other idea on the table. I may just be racist or sexist though.. however i dont know why i

I think of it as we can see its not right just now and there are no other idea on the table. I may just be racist or sexist though.. however i dont know why i would give a shit if that was the case?

dleslie 6y ago
It's possible to be self-aware of one's own faults and want to change, but still exhibit the errant behaviour.
- bahlhala 6y ago
  you are not explaining why i would care though? and i have not seen a single alternative posted by anyone here, so all the argumnts against seem rather hollow and just self serving. blocking making playing field fairer as you wont be the one to benefit from the increased fairness. I also think that people are missing the point that the entire work environment is tuned to a specific group of people.. which is not healthy. that specific group of people are not going to actively de-tune their environment for potential future hires that they dont even have metrics to measure how tuned they are. the only solution i can see is to get those other people in, see what need changing, change that.. wait a full generation and re-evaluate. How do propose getting more diversity without some kind of support or appreciation of the value of the under represented? and to those thinking of themselves before the wider picture this will always seem "unfair". If you were watching over some kids and you had not noticed but for an hour one kid had been bullying other kids to achieve a huge lead over them in the game they were playing. so you step and stop the bullying.. great. but where is the incentive for the other kids to keep playing together if the historical effects of the bullying are not addressed?
  - dleslie 6y ago
    > you are not explaining why i would care though? Because many people endeavour to be better people because they care about other people. > How do propose getting more diversity without some kind of support or appreciation of the value of the under represented? You could improve diversity without appreciating their value, as well; following proscribed formulas to balance quotas doesn't guarantee that those applying the formula are going to reform their views. I'd improve diversity by dismantling systemic barriers; like unequal access to education, which must including access to after-school support, quality food, and so on. > but where is the incentive for the other kids to keep playing together if the historical effects of the bullying are not addressed? Because they are kids, and many kids are quick to forgive and forge new relationships.

I think of it as we can see its not right just now and there are no other idea on the table. I may just be racist or sexist though.. however i dont know why i would give a shit if that was the case?

dleslie 6y ago

It's possible to be self-aware of one's own faults and want to change, but still exhibit the errant behaviour.

bahlhala 6y ago
you are not explaining why i would care though? and i have not seen a single alternative posted by anyone here, so all the argumnts against seem rather hollow and just self serving. blocking making playing field fairer as you wont be the one to benefit from the increased fairness. I also think that people are missing the point that the entire work environment is tuned to a specific group of people.. which is not healthy. that specific group of people are not going to actively de-tune their environment for potential future hires that they dont even have metrics to measure how tuned they are. the only solution i can see is to get those other people in, see what need changing, change that.. wait a full generation and re-evaluate. How do propose getting more diversity without some kind of support or appreciation of the value of the under represented? and to those thinking of themselves before the wider picture this will always seem "unfair". If you were watching over some kids and you had not noticed but for an hour one kid had been bullying other kids to achieve a huge lead over them in the game they were playing. so you step and stop the bullying.. great. but where is the incentive for the other kids to keep playing together if the historical effects of the bullying are not addressed?
- dleslie 6y ago
  > you are not explaining why i would care though? Because many people endeavour to be better people because they care about other people. > How do propose getting more diversity without some kind of support or appreciation of the value of the under represented? You could improve diversity without appreciating their value, as well; following proscribed formulas to balance quotas doesn't guarantee that those applying the formula are going to reform their views. I'd improve diversity by dismantling systemic barriers; like unequal access to education, which must including access to after-school support, quality food, and so on. > but where is the incentive for the other kids to keep playing together if the historical effects of the bullying are not addressed? Because they are kids, and many kids are quick to forgive and forge new relationships.