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I don't understand this argument. Google is a subset of everyone.

by natex 6y ago

ekianjo 6y ago
I think Google, as an entity, has a lot more power to collect a lot more data about everyone else in the world and do something with it than my neighbor sniffing my IP address when I visit a singular Peertube Instance. I'd like to hear your counter argument on that.
- judge2020 6y ago
  Getting "doxxed" by someone on a social media platform can have much more impactful real-world consequences than Google showing you more relevant ads thanks to knowing that you watched a video titled "the most reliable power tools".
- natex 6y ago
  Well, when I use youtube I am giving Google permission to use my data in a way described in their TOS. If they break those terms, I have recourse (e.g. lawsuit, legislation, bad PR, etc.) > do something with it than my neighbor sniffing my IP address when I visit a singular Peertube Instance. You're minimizing the risk of Peertube from _anyone in the world_ seeing my IP address to "a neighbor" in order to make your argument. Anyway, using Peertube, there is no TOS, no recourse, no privacy.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    > You're minimizing the risk of Peertube from _anyone in the world_ seeing my IP address to "a neighbor" in order to make your argument. Use a VPN with Peertube if that is your concern. Problem solved. > Anyway, using Peertube, there is no TOS, no recourse, no privacy. Just the mere fact that most of your traffic goes thru Google for search, videos, Google Analytics everywhere on 99% of websites out of the Google realm, makes my privacy a lot less meaningful when I know a single company has access to all of that info and that precise company can leak that data to every government out there asking for it without letting me know. By the way, has any individual sued Google for anything and won when it came to anything related to breach of privacy? Just the fact that it's extremely hard to prove that Google and nobody else leaked your information makes the possibility of legal action very remote to say the least.
    - natex 6y ago
      > Use a VPN with Peertube if that is your concern. Problem solved. No. Don't twist things. That's not my actual concern and doesn't solve the problem that: Peertube exposes your IP to anyone who wants it. Don't you think people should know that? You responded with "whataboutgoogle?" Sure, setting up/maintaining/buying a VPN may be a solution for some Peertube users, as has been said a million times in this thread.
      - ekianjo 6y ago
        > Don't you think people should know that? PeerTube literally displays the warning when you start watching a video. How would people NOT know?
- ex_amazon_sde 6y ago
  This is false dichotomy. When using PeerTube you are exposing your IP address and the contents you are fetching or sharing with the whole world INCLUDING google.
- cortesoft 6y ago
  They don’t just get your IP address... your neighbor can find out what video you are watching. I understand google is going to know what video I watch, and accept that... but I don’t like the idea of everyone knowing what I watch.

I don't understand this argument. Google is a subset of everyone.

by natex 6y ago

I don't understand this argument. Google is a subset of everyone.

I think Google, as an entity, has a lot more power to collect a lot more data about everyone else in the world and do something with it than my neighbor sniffing my IP address when I visit a singular Peertube Instance. I'd like to hear your counter argument on that.

judge2020 6y ago
Getting "doxxed" by someone on a social media platform can have much more impactful real-world consequences than Google showing you more relevant ads thanks to knowing that you watched a video titled "the most reliable power tools".
natex 6y ago
Well, when I use youtube I am giving Google permission to use my data in a way described in their TOS. If they break those terms, I have recourse (e.g. lawsuit, legislation, bad PR, etc.) > do something with it than my neighbor sniffing my IP address when I visit a singular Peertube Instance. You're minimizing the risk of Peertube from _anyone in the world_ seeing my IP address to "a neighbor" in order to make your argument. Anyway, using Peertube, there is no TOS, no recourse, no privacy.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  > You're minimizing the risk of Peertube from _anyone in the world_ seeing my IP address to "a neighbor" in order to make your argument. Use a VPN with Peertube if that is your concern. Problem solved. > Anyway, using Peertube, there is no TOS, no recourse, no privacy. Just the mere fact that most of your traffic goes thru Google for search, videos, Google Analytics everywhere on 99% of websites out of the Google realm, makes my privacy a lot less meaningful when I know a single company has access to all of that info and that precise company can leak that data to every government out there asking for it without letting me know. By the way, has any individual sued Google for anything and won when it came to anything related to breach of privacy? Just the fact that it's extremely hard to prove that Google and nobody else leaked your information makes the possibility of legal action very remote to say the least.
  - natex 6y ago
    > Use a VPN with Peertube if that is your concern. Problem solved. No. Don't twist things. That's not my actual concern and doesn't solve the problem that: Peertube exposes your IP to anyone who wants it. Don't you think people should know that? You responded with "whataboutgoogle?" Sure, setting up/maintaining/buying a VPN may be a solution for some Peertube users, as has been said a million times in this thread.
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      > Don't you think people should know that? PeerTube literally displays the warning when you start watching a video. How would people NOT know?
ex_amazon_sde 6y ago
This is false dichotomy. When using PeerTube you are exposing your IP address and the contents you are fetching or sharing with the whole world INCLUDING google.
cortesoft 6y ago
They don’t just get your IP address... your neighbor can find out what video you are watching. I understand google is going to know what video I watch, and accept that... but I don’t like the idea of everyone knowing what I watch.