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your perspective is limited IMO, for example you have small tools like a save cleaner utility for The Sims3 , some person made this tool in Java in his free tim

your perspective is limited IMO, for example you have small tools like a save cleaner utility for The Sims3 , some person made this tool in Java in his free time and shared it for free with the community, why should this dev pay Apple. There are people that make Visual novels,text based games and other indie stuff(without using Apple tools most are Python,Java or Web tech) for free or a few bucks, I think they would not pay the Apple tax and either not support Mac at all or link to some instructions to workaround this limits while it is possible.

alickz 6y ago
Especially since Apple should _want_ you making free tools for their platform, it directly increases the value of their systems. How many people stick with iOS because of all the apps they like, which may not be available on Android.
pjmlp 6y ago
Before Java was a thing, that utility would have been written in Turbo Pascal, Quick Basic, Visual Basic, C, C++ compiler, none of them available for free. At minimum one would need the Shareware or PD disks tax to get hold of some similar compiler.
- smegger001 6y ago
  or use a free (libre or gratis) compiler. GNU Compiler Collection was released over three decades ago, or the BSD licensed Portable C Compiler that was initially released over forty years ago, as for Basic many operating systems had a basic interpreter or compiler built in.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    When it became something usable on PCs we are already talking about past Windows 98.
    - cesarb 6y ago
      I learned programming on MS-DOS with DJGPP, which is basically the GNU Compiler Collection (and lots of other GNU software) for MS-DOS. It certainly was usable (and included two free IDEs: RHIDE and Emacs), it was as good as GCC on Unix except for the lack of multitasking (which is what led me to Linux). This was long before Windows 98; the earliest DJGPP I can find is from 1994, and I had already migrated from DJGPP to GCC on Linux before 1998.
- simion314 6y ago
  Hobbiest either used open source or some freeware compilers. The reason I mentioned Java and C# is that is easy to use for simple tools and you can support all OS, around 15 years ago I bought a book about games and c++ it had a CD with a free/gratis version of a c++ compiler (probably from Microsoft) I made some small games and shared them with my friends (I did not had to pay Microsoft a tax or ask approval)
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    There was hardly any open source on Amiga, Atari, MS-DOS and Windows 3.x worthy of use.
- fomine3 6y ago
  It's not mandatory tool so not a "tax".
- GoblinSlayer 6y ago
  Programs in basic from those times: https://web.archive.org/web/20121021081826/http://www.btinternet.com/~pweighill/music/books/ https://web.archive.org/web/20121021081826/http://www.btinte... and basic interpreter shipped in computer's ROM. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedScript https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedScript

alickz 6y ago

Especially since Apple should _want_ you making free tools for their platform, it directly increases the value of their systems. How many people stick with iOS because of all the apps they like, which may not be available on Android.

pjmlp 6y ago

Before Java was a thing, that utility would have been written in Turbo Pascal, Quick Basic, Visual Basic, C, C++ compiler, none of them available for free. At minimum one would need the Shareware or PD disks tax to get hold of some similar compiler.

smegger001 6y ago
or use a free (libre or gratis) compiler. GNU Compiler Collection was released over three decades ago, or the BSD licensed Portable C Compiler that was initially released over forty years ago, as for Basic many operating systems had a basic interpreter or compiler built in.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  When it became something usable on PCs we are already talking about past Windows 98.
  - cesarb 6y ago
    I learned programming on MS-DOS with DJGPP, which is basically the GNU Compiler Collection (and lots of other GNU software) for MS-DOS. It certainly was usable (and included two free IDEs: RHIDE and Emacs), it was as good as GCC on Unix except for the lack of multitasking (which is what led me to Linux). This was long before Windows 98; the earliest DJGPP I can find is from 1994, and I had already migrated from DJGPP to GCC on Linux before 1998.
simion314 6y ago
Hobbiest either used open source or some freeware compilers. The reason I mentioned Java and C# is that is easy to use for simple tools and you can support all OS, around 15 years ago I bought a book about games and c++ it had a CD with a free/gratis version of a c++ compiler (probably from Microsoft) I made some small games and shared them with my friends (I did not had to pay Microsoft a tax or ask approval)
- pjmlp 6y ago
  There was hardly any open source on Amiga, Atari, MS-DOS and Windows 3.x worthy of use.
fomine3 6y ago
It's not mandatory tool so not a "tax".
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Programs in basic from those times: https://web.archive.org/web/20121021081826/http://www.btinternet.com/~pweighill/music/books/ https://web.archive.org/web/20121021081826/http://www.btinte... and basic interpreter shipped in computer's ROM. Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedScript https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedScript