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This is a nice example of what a logician calls a false cause: your conclusion (definition of outrageous) isn't supported by your premise (how much you used to
by nanna 6y ago
This is a nice example of what a logician calls a false cause: your conclusion (definition of outrageous) isn't supported by your premise (how much you used to pay for kit).
It's also a straw man, since I was talking about an OS developer wanting to publish their software, and you're attempting to sink it by portraying it as referring to a consumer wanting free stuff.
The subject of your conclusion, 'current generations', is also so vague as to be redundant. Current generations who are alive? Generations of 21st century? Of modernity? Of the West?
I'm afraid this is not a very good HN post.
- pjmlp 6y agoLike 1000 euros per year for a MSDN Professional license, or the required certification from several vendors that have to be renewed every couple years.
- Spivak 6y agoOr having to pay Red Hat for support to get access to their KB, get updates, and pay separate licenses if you want any of their premium software offerings. Or having to shell out for console dev kits and game engines. And the embedded software world is even worse. The exception is being able realistically develop for a platform without little/no expense. People really are spoiled by FOSS tooling.
- UnFleshedOne 6y agoThat the exact purpose of all the FOSS tooling -- to make tools free, so more things can get created? Make all FOSS paid and enforce the licensing and you will bankrupt a lot of small commercial companies that rely on them too. Then really a few giants will remain.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoImagine complaining about accessible technology. Corporations can't find the bottom of their misanthropy.
- quanticle 6y agoYou don't need to spend €1000 to develop for Windows. Visual Studio Community Edition [1] is free to use for individuals, even for developing paid applications. Even if you're running a multi-developer business, Visual Studio Professional can be had for far less than €1000. What you're referring to is the top-tier MSDN subscription, which is something that very few organizations will require. [1]: https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/ https://visualstudio.microsoft.com/vs/community/
- pjmlp 6y agoCommunity has several restrictions for any business with more than 5 developers or more than a specific profit limit.
- quanticle 6y agoRight, which is why I was careful to state that Community was for individuals, and Professional was for multi-developer organizations. This is in contrast with Apple, which requires you to pay $99 regardless of whether you're an individual or a corporate entity.
- pjmlp 6y agoYeah, but lets not forget that community also is relatively recent, having replaced the Express editions, which were worthless beyond learning purposes, as per license.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoRecently tried to compile scintilla in visual studio, but gave up figuring out how to tune all settings in the IDE and compiled with nmake instead, the make file was very transparent and hackable with everything in plain sight.
- GoblinSlayer 6y agoA programmer isn't exactly a freeloader. He spends a lot of expensive effort to improve the OS vendor's worth. Microsoft figured this out correctly.