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I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? That's within the law already, and peopl

I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? That's within the law already, and people in jail can't throw house parties.

DoreenMichele 6y ago
They are letting people out of prison in a lot of places who haven't committed violent/serious crimes because the prisons are a breeding ground for disease in a scenario like this, the prisons are overwhelmed, the hospitals are overwhelmed, etc. I also see that as a vastly worse legal precedent than shutting off your water to deter disease-spreading large gatherings. That's a great way to make sure we can throw lots and lots of poor people in jail -- just as soon as the pandemic is over the our jails aren't overwhelmed as a matter of course.
- kstenerud 6y ago
  I think you may have misunderstood. The tools of increasing fines and criminal charges (resulting in jail time or not) have existed for decades already, and are proven in the field to be effective. This is nothing new. There's also nothing stopping the courts from deferring a jail term until the pandemic has passed.
  - DoreenMichele 6y ago
    I am going to refer you to this fine comment and officially drop discussing this with you further: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24221493 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24221493
    - apple4ever 6y ago
      Then you fix the system, you don't shut off power.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? This is an existing tool, and it's one that the occupants were warned would be used if they continued their violations. Criminal charges are slower, and don't do as much to stop the immediate threat without custodial arrest and pretrial confinement, either in jail, which itself is a public health issue, especially when high-risk transmission behavir is involved, or in separate isolation (which IIRC is available for public health order violations but is manpower intensive.)

I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? That's within the law already, and people in jail can't throw house parties.

DoreenMichele 6y ago

They are letting people out of prison in a lot of places who haven't committed violent/serious crimes because the prisons are a breeding ground for disease in a scenario like this, the prisons are overwhelmed, the hospitals are overwhelmed, etc. I also see that as a vastly worse legal precedent than shutting off your water to deter disease-spreading large gatherings. That's a great way to make sure we can throw lots and lots of poor people in jail -- just as soon as the pandemic is over the our jails aren't overwhelmed as a matter of course.

kstenerud 6y ago
I think you may have misunderstood. The tools of increasing fines and criminal charges (resulting in jail time or not) have existed for decades already, and are proven in the field to be effective. This is nothing new. There's also nothing stopping the courts from deferring a jail term until the pandemic has passed.
- DoreenMichele 6y ago
  I am going to refer you to this fine comment and officially drop discussing this with you further: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24221493 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24221493
  - apple4ever 6y ago
    Then you fix the system, you don't shut off power.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> I don't get it... what's the problem with using existing tools, such as bringing criminal charges against these people? This is an existing tool, and it's one that the occupants were warned would be used if they continued their violations. Criminal charges are slower, and don't do as much to stop the immediate threat without custodial arrest and pretrial confinement, either in jail, which itself is a public health issue, especially when high-risk transmission behavir is involved, or in separate isolation (which IIRC is available for public health order violations but is manpower intensive.)