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For their next party trick, they'll take away your water and electricity for wrongthink or not voting for the "correct" party. Shocking that some people think t

by hotz 6y ago

For their next party trick, they'll take away your water and electricity for wrongthink or not voting for the "correct" party. Shocking that some people think this is acceptable. If freedom falls in the US, the rest of the world suffers too.

rsa25519 6y ago
Hmm, I think cancelling parties (that have no political affiliation) is different from policing thought. I'm a free speech absolutist, but I support governments limiting non-speech freedoms for the sake of public health
hluska 6y ago
I don’t recall reading anything about freedom to make unbelievably stupid, selfish decisions in the US constitution.
- zelly 6y ago
  It's mentioned about 30 times. Ctrl+F "vote"
  - hluska 6y ago
    Joke aside, I’m serious. How is throwing big parties in the middle of a pandemic a’freedom’ issue?? The house was warned many times and now they’re facing a reasonable repercussion.
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    - lodovic 6y ago
      Because your right to stay free from Covid, requires people to behave in a certain way (masks, social distancing) which is at odds with the right to self determination. Sure, it's stupid, but people should be allowed to make stupid decisions for themselves. Not saying I agree but I definitely see the freedom issue.
      - brendawalsh 6y ago
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination Maybe I don’t understand what self-determination means, but wearing a mask and keeping 6 ft of distance from another person, does not prevent one from participating in government. I am waiting for people to advocate their free speech rights are being violated for not being allowed to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater.
        14 6y ago
        We also have hate laws that restrict what I can say against people. Or slander laws. I can’t just go tell lies about someone and claim free speech. Well you could but risk being sued.
      - hluska 6y ago
        A court in Florida disagreed, finding that Americans “don’t have a constitutional right to infect others.” Here is the full text of the decision - it’s a very interesting read on both sides of the argument: https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1142/502020CA006920XXXXMB_144.pdf?1595945196 https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1142/5020...
JamesBarney 6y ago
There is a very wide gap between turning off someones electricity for routinely hosting parties against regulations during a pandemic that is killing more people per day than most wars and thought policing. Also your comment could be made about literally any enforcement action ever taken.
ianleeclark 6y ago
> Shocking that some people think this is acceptable. If freedom falls in the US, the rest of the world suffers too. This is incredibly melodramatic. To think that restricting a party during a global pandemic risks freedom more than, say, backing coups in Honduras is a ridiculous position.

by hotz 6y ago

rsa25519 6y ago

Hmm, I think cancelling parties (that have no political affiliation) is different from policing thought. I'm a free speech absolutist, but I support governments limiting non-speech freedoms for the sake of public health

hluska 6y ago

I don’t recall reading anything about freedom to make unbelievably stupid, selfish decisions in the US constitution.

zelly 6y ago
It's mentioned about 30 times. Ctrl+F "vote"
- hluska 6y ago
  Joke aside, I’m serious. How is throwing big parties in the middle of a pandemic a’freedom’ issue?? The house was warned many times and now they’re facing a reasonable repercussion.
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  - lodovic 6y ago
    Because your right to stay free from Covid, requires people to behave in a certain way (masks, social distancing) which is at odds with the right to self determination. Sure, it's stupid, but people should be allowed to make stupid decisions for themselves. Not saying I agree but I definitely see the freedom issue.
    - brendawalsh 6y ago
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination Maybe I don’t understand what self-determination means, but wearing a mask and keeping 6 ft of distance from another person, does not prevent one from participating in government. I am waiting for people to advocate their free speech rights are being violated for not being allowed to yell “Fire!” in a crowded theater.
      - 14 6y ago
        We also have hate laws that restrict what I can say against people. Or slander laws. I can’t just go tell lies about someone and claim free speech. Well you could but risk being sued.
    - hluska 6y ago
      A court in Florida disagreed, finding that Americans “don’t have a constitutional right to infect others.” Here is the full text of the decision - it’s a very interesting read on both sides of the argument: https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1142/502020CA006920XXXXMB_144.pdf?1595945196 https://cdn.theconversation.com/static_files/files/1142/5020...

JamesBarney 6y ago

There is a very wide gap between turning off someones electricity for routinely hosting parties against regulations during a pandemic that is killing more people per day than most wars and thought policing. Also your comment could be made about literally any enforcement action ever taken.

ianleeclark 6y ago

> Shocking that some people think this is acceptable. If freedom falls in the US, the rest of the world suffers too. This is incredibly melodramatic. To think that restricting a party during a global pandemic risks freedom more than, say, backing coups in Honduras is a ridiculous position.