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And so, the modern web becomes an unmaintainable, monolithic clusterfuck with the illusion of modularity. It's the idea of the 90s with the complexity of 2020 -

And so, the modern web becomes an unmaintainable, monolithic clusterfuck with the illusion of modularity. It's the idea of the 90s with the complexity of 2020 - just because people cannot handle the simple core concepts of CSS.

herrkanin 6y ago
Huh? This is a direct response for the fact that any sufficiently large vanilla CSS has a high risk to turn into an unmaintainable, monolithic clusterfuck.
pocket_titan 6y ago
Did you even read the article? People can handle the "simple core concepts of CSS" just fine - you're interjecting your own pessimistic opinion here & passing it off as fact. No, the article states how the abstraction of CSS classNames doesn't fit well with the idea of using modular Components. You're still writing CSS, heck, styled-components even _adds_ features on top of it. But sure, just keep echoing this "web dev stupid" mentality
marijn 6y ago
I'm not going to defend the article, but I really bristle at this idea that if you just _get_ CSS it isn't problematic anymore. CSS tries to solve a hard problem and it's certainly preferably to inline-everything, but its design (global, cascading, with many types of behavior—positioning, z-stacking, etc—depending on the styling of parent elements in interesting ways) is actively hostile to many kinds of modularity, and that's a real issue even for people who "get" CSS.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  Cascading / depending on the parent's style are features specifically intended to enable a component-based approach. It allows, for example, to use h1's in your component, but have them render at appropriate sizes depending on their level in the overall hierarchy.
  - lioeters 6y ago
    Cascading is, to me, like class inheritance in object-oriented style of programming. Useful in some cases, but can become unmanageable with more than a few layers. The "inline CSS" approach is an escape hatch to avoid cascading styles. I can see its advantages, to apply all (and only) the styles on the component level.
    - lioeters 6y ago
      Apparently someone didn't appreciate the jab at OOP. Well, I call it like I see it - seen more messes made by class inheritance and cascading, than without.
  - type0 6y ago
    There's also this grouping method to separate classes https://piccalil.li/cube-css/ https://piccalil.li/cube-css/ it's cringe at first but so was BEM and it's still useful even if you combine both

herrkanin 6y ago

Huh? This is a direct response for the fact that any sufficiently large vanilla CSS has a high risk to turn into an unmaintainable, monolithic clusterfuck.

pocket_titan 6y ago

Did you even read the article? People can handle the "simple core concepts of CSS" just fine - you're interjecting your own pessimistic opinion here & passing it off as fact. No, the article states how the abstraction of CSS classNames doesn't fit well with the idea of using modular Components. You're still writing CSS, heck, styled-components even _adds_ features on top of it. But sure, just keep echoing this "web dev stupid" mentality

marijn 6y ago

I'm not going to defend the article, but I really bristle at this idea that if you just _get_ CSS it isn't problematic anymore. CSS tries to solve a hard problem and it's certainly preferably to inline-everything, but its design (global, cascading, with many types of behavior—positioning, z-stacking, etc—depending on the styling of parent elements in interesting ways) is actively hostile to many kinds of modularity, and that's a real issue even for people who "get" CSS.

IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
Cascading / depending on the parent's style are features specifically intended to enable a component-based approach. It allows, for example, to use h1's in your component, but have them render at appropriate sizes depending on their level in the overall hierarchy.
- lioeters 6y ago
  Cascading is, to me, like class inheritance in object-oriented style of programming. Useful in some cases, but can become unmanageable with more than a few layers. The "inline CSS" approach is an escape hatch to avoid cascading styles. I can see its advantages, to apply all (and only) the styles on the component level.
  - lioeters 6y ago
    Apparently someone didn't appreciate the jab at OOP. Well, I call it like I see it - seen more messes made by class inheritance and cascading, than without.
- type0 6y ago
  There's also this grouping method to separate classes https://piccalil.li/cube-css/ https://piccalil.li/cube-css/ it's cringe at first but so was BEM and it's still useful even if you combine both