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If only a country can have an economy, this would exclude global and local economies of the current system from the discussion of economic models. Check your as

If only a country can have an economy, this would exclude global and local economies of the current system from the discussion of economic models. Check your assumptions. They are wrong.

nailer 6y ago
> If only a country can have an economy That's not what I wrote. I asked for a model that scales. Generally economic systems are implemented nationally. > Check your assumptions. They are wrong. No. You don't have a working example of the system you are citing as a possible alternative. We're both aware of this.
- bccdee 6y ago
  Until the mid-18th century, there were no "working examples" of laissez-faire capitalism, which has since become the dominant global model. Economic circumstances change; in its fairly short history, many examples have shown that laissez-faire capitalism is vulnerable to collapse during periods of economic instability (fascism, authoritarian communism). Don't be so confident that new systems aren't possible when one of the defining traits of laissez-faire capitalism is a tendency to become unstable, fall apart, and be replaced with new systems. Incidentally, if you'd read the link which the other poster provided on market socialism, you'd have noticed that it scales in exactly the same way that laissez-faire capitalism scales, making your critique unfounded.
- guerrilla 6y ago
  I gave you Chiapas elsewhere in the thread as well as a long list [1]. There's also Rojava. But you don't even need to go that far, every worker-owned cooperative, credit union and mutual insurance is mutualist. Many further examples in history tend to be wiped out by those already in power. Furthermore, there were also no examples of capitalism before capitalism either, so it's not surprising. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

If only a country can have an economy, this would exclude global and local economies of the current system from the discussion of economic models. Check your assumptions. They are wrong.

nailer 6y ago

> If only a country can have an economy That's not what I wrote. I asked for a model that scales. Generally economic systems are implemented nationally. > Check your assumptions. They are wrong. No. You don't have a working example of the system you are citing as a possible alternative. We're both aware of this.

bccdee 6y ago
Until the mid-18th century, there were no "working examples" of laissez-faire capitalism, which has since become the dominant global model. Economic circumstances change; in its fairly short history, many examples have shown that laissez-faire capitalism is vulnerable to collapse during periods of economic instability (fascism, authoritarian communism). Don't be so confident that new systems aren't possible when one of the defining traits of laissez-faire capitalism is a tendency to become unstable, fall apart, and be replaced with new systems. Incidentally, if you'd read the link which the other poster provided on market socialism, you'd have noticed that it scales in exactly the same way that laissez-faire capitalism scales, making your critique unfounded.
guerrilla 6y ago
I gave you Chiapas elsewhere in the thread as well as a long list [1]. There's also Rojava. But you don't even need to go that far, every worker-owned cooperative, credit union and mutual insurance is mutualist. Many further examples in history tend to be wiped out by those already in power. Furthermore, there were also no examples of capitalism before capitalism either, so it's not surprising. [1]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities