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> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Right, and how many of those are using macOS because t

> Oh come now, there are millions and millions of professionals using macOS to do work every single day. Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Moving from macOS to Linux or Windows (or from any one OS to any other, really) does require some time. It's not necessarily difficult, but it still takes time. Time that the same professionals might find is better spent on their actual professional work. It could be argued it's a boil the frog situation, but for me that means the incentives to change the OS aren't quite there yet. Maybe if MacOS 10.17 goes too far with restricting what people can run on it, there could be more people switching. But remember, many of those "professionals" are not programmers, they use standard "enterprise" software, like Adobe or whatever. I bet most of those people have no idea what a terminal is. They would probably not even notice such restrictions are in place.

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saagarjha 6y ago
> MacOS 10.17 We’re probably not doing that anymore
Razengan 6y ago
> Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Right, because you know why each and every one of the billions of users do what they do, and of course, none of them would be doing something by choice, because how could anyone possibly like something you do not?
- vladvasiliu 6y ago
  I'm not talking about "each and every one". My point is that many people just use the tools they are given. For example my client has one department where everyone gets a Mac. I'm pretty sure most of them don't have a very strong opinion on the matter, as they do mostly administrative stuff (so basically MS Office). They could probably get a PC if they wanted, but again, they just don't care. Of course people may choose MacOS. I've been using it for a very long time and hopefully that won't change anytime soon. But that doesn't mean that everybody who uses MacOS does so by choice.
cwhiz 6y ago
Is it really that hard for you to believe that people like and prefer macOS?? I don’t want to move to Windows or Linux. The time sink is irrelevant. I am a software engineer and I PREFER macOS. So do my coworkers. So do many, but not all, of my friends. So does my spouse. Many of you replying here just seem completely unable to grasp that other people exist, with other thoughts and opinions.
- colonwqbang 6y ago
  So you would stay loyal to the product no matter what it evolves into? I imagine there's some kind of limit to what you would put up with. Or is your point that these restrictions don't bother you at all? That's fine of course but I'm sure not everyone feels the same way. As someone who never bought any Apple products, I find it harder and harder to see why I would buy one. I have friends who are quite invested Apple owners who say they will most likely not buy Apple again because of the way the product has changed for the worse (in their eyes).
  - cwhiz 6y ago
    >So you would stay loyal to the product no matter what it evolves into? No. My line in the sand is Apple locking down macOS so that I cannot install applications outside of the Mac App Store. These "restrictions" that seem to annoy other people do not bother me. At that point I would just migrate over to Linux and maintain a Mac for any remaining Apple specific dev. I'm not sure exactly where the line is on mobile. I don't feel restricted by the iOS ecosystem, but I do understand that others might. If there became a time where I wanted to abandon iOS then I would likely just go without a phone or get a flip phone. I refuse to use Android or any product developed by Google.

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saagarjha 6y ago

> MacOS 10.17 We’re probably not doing that anymore

Razengan 6y ago

> Right, and how many of those are using macOS because they're "forced" to, as a sibling suggests, or simply by force of habit? Right, because you know why each and every one of the billions of users do what they do, and of course, none of them would be doing something by choice, because how could anyone possibly like something you do not?

vladvasiliu 6y ago
I'm not talking about "each and every one". My point is that many people just use the tools they are given. For example my client has one department where everyone gets a Mac. I'm pretty sure most of them don't have a very strong opinion on the matter, as they do mostly administrative stuff (so basically MS Office). They could probably get a PC if they wanted, but again, they just don't care. Of course people may choose MacOS. I've been using it for a very long time and hopefully that won't change anytime soon. But that doesn't mean that everybody who uses MacOS does so by choice.

cwhiz 6y ago

Is it really that hard for you to believe that people like and prefer macOS?? I don’t want to move to Windows or Linux. The time sink is irrelevant. I am a software engineer and I PREFER macOS. So do my coworkers. So do many, but not all, of my friends. So does my spouse. Many of you replying here just seem completely unable to grasp that other people exist, with other thoughts and opinions.

colonwqbang 6y ago
So you would stay loyal to the product no matter what it evolves into? I imagine there's some kind of limit to what you would put up with. Or is your point that these restrictions don't bother you at all? That's fine of course but I'm sure not everyone feels the same way. As someone who never bought any Apple products, I find it harder and harder to see why I would buy one. I have friends who are quite invested Apple owners who say they will most likely not buy Apple again because of the way the product has changed for the worse (in their eyes).
- cwhiz 6y ago
  >So you would stay loyal to the product no matter what it evolves into? No. My line in the sand is Apple locking down macOS so that I cannot install applications outside of the Mac App Store. These "restrictions" that seem to annoy other people do not bother me. At that point I would just migrate over to Linux and maintain a Mac for any remaining Apple specific dev. I'm not sure exactly where the line is on mobile. I don't feel restricted by the iOS ecosystem, but I do understand that others might. If there became a time where I wanted to abandon iOS then I would likely just go without a phone or get a flip phone. I refuse to use Android or any product developed by Google.