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> the reason most families stay poor forever is the guardian (usually the father) of the family is indulged in cigarette, tobacco or alcohol consumption. Any

by xfer 6y ago

> the reason most families stay poor forever is the guardian (usually the father) of the family is indulged in cigarette, tobacco or alcohol consumption. Any studies or citation or is this your personal experience extrapolated? I have seen many bad/uncaring poor parents without any addiction(unless you can call drinking tea addiction). Good parents in poverty is a blessing though and definitely a major part of their children's success.

phekunde 6y ago
> Any studies or citation or is this your personal experience extrapolated? Well, the OP's citation is "Not really an Indian,..." So you don't require more credibility than that when someone is commenting on an Indian story!
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  If you cite make sure to use a complete citation. He wrote "Not really an Indian, but from a similar kind of community in its neighboring country." which gives more credibility to his statement than the partial citation you used. It is still anecdotal of course but given the history of the region the culture does not shift dramatically as soon as you cross the border.
  - phekunde 6y ago
    > which gives more credibility to his statement than the partial citation you used. It is still anecdotal of course but given the history of the region the culture does not shift dramatically as soon as you cross the border. This gross generalisation is nothing new about India. People who do that(even if they are from a "neighboring country") do not understand the many contours of a vast and very diverse country! Indians have now become used to this partial vision of others about the country. The rest of the citation you included itself would have given you a hint: "similar kind of community in its neighboring country". Comparing a community to a whole country is quite a leap!
    - mrmuagi 6y ago
      What a rotund dismissal of very serious problem. Some things do generalize well, you know? The relationship of poverty and alcohol consumption is universal, no matter the level of patriotic grandstanding you perform, it simply debilitates family units.
srean 6y ago
This common knowledge enough that this does not need a citation. Its not just the addiction part, votes get caste on whether the candidate will hand out some free alcohol, a color TV and some cash as a one time incentive to get their vote. The thing is that this works in many states of India. Since getting the votes is so easy (although there is some arms race among the candidates) it should not be a surprise that after being elected these candidates are after their own interest (wealth grab) than do their job of representing the people. The problem is much more deep-rooted than addiction. There is a large class of people who have not benefitted from the democracy in the ~60 odd years of independence. The way they think is, "I am not going to get anything out of this anyway, neither did my earlier generation. This way I will at least get a TV and some free booze"
- xfer 6y ago
  > The problem is much more deep-rooted than addiction. Yes, that's my point. There are more severe problems in india than addiction to alcohol and tobacco ruining kid's life. Handing out free things during election to people who are below poverty line has nothing to do with addiction. I was born in a state where handing out rice was very effective.
pkphilip 6y ago
Alcoholism is epidemic proportions among the poor in India - especially among the men, and this does lead to severe poverty. How Alcohol and Tobacco Cause Poverty https://thewire.in/health/how-alcohol-and-tobacco-cause-poverty https://thewire.in/health/how-alcohol-and-tobacco-cause-pove... Impact of alcohol use on poor families: a study from North India https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1465989031000109798 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1465989031000109...

by xfer 6y ago

phekunde 6y ago

> Any studies or citation or is this your personal experience extrapolated? Well, the OP's citation is "Not really an Indian,..." So you don't require more credibility than that when someone is commenting on an Indian story!

Yetanfou 6y ago
If you cite make sure to use a complete citation. He wrote "Not really an Indian, but from a similar kind of community in its neighboring country." which gives more credibility to his statement than the partial citation you used. It is still anecdotal of course but given the history of the region the culture does not shift dramatically as soon as you cross the border.
- phekunde 6y ago
  > which gives more credibility to his statement than the partial citation you used. It is still anecdotal of course but given the history of the region the culture does not shift dramatically as soon as you cross the border. This gross generalisation is nothing new about India. People who do that(even if they are from a "neighboring country") do not understand the many contours of a vast and very diverse country! Indians have now become used to this partial vision of others about the country. The rest of the citation you included itself would have given you a hint: "similar kind of community in its neighboring country". Comparing a community to a whole country is quite a leap!
  - mrmuagi 6y ago
    What a rotund dismissal of very serious problem. Some things do generalize well, you know? The relationship of poverty and alcohol consumption is universal, no matter the level of patriotic grandstanding you perform, it simply debilitates family units.

srean 6y ago

This common knowledge enough that this does not need a citation. Its not just the addiction part, votes get caste on whether the candidate will hand out some free alcohol, a color TV and some cash as a one time incentive to get their vote. The thing is that this works in many states of India. Since getting the votes is so easy (although there is some arms race among the candidates) it should not be a surprise that after being elected these candidates are after their own interest (wealth grab) than do their job of representing the people. The problem is much more deep-rooted than addiction. There is a large class of people who have not benefitted from the democracy in the ~60 odd years of independence. The way they think is, "I am not going to get anything out of this anyway, neither did my earlier generation. This way I will at least get a TV and some free booze"

xfer 6y ago
> The problem is much more deep-rooted than addiction. Yes, that's my point. There are more severe problems in india than addiction to alcohol and tobacco ruining kid's life. Handing out free things during election to people who are below poverty line has nothing to do with addiction. I was born in a state where handing out rice was very effective.

pkphilip 6y ago

Alcoholism is epidemic proportions among the poor in India - especially among the men, and this does lead to severe poverty. How Alcohol and Tobacco Cause Poverty https://thewire.in/health/how-alcohol-and-tobacco-cause-poverty https://thewire.in/health/how-alcohol-and-tobacco-cause-pove... Impact of alcohol use on poor families: a study from North India https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1465989031000109798 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1465989031000109...