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In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software.

In my day job, I work on a relatively large open-source non-GUI application macOS is becoming an increasingly difficult platform on which to release software. We're going down the notarization rabbit hole (which is a nightmare), but given that we don't fit on the App Store, it's very obvious that Apple doesn't want us on the platform. My suspicion is that they will eventually charge $$$ for a "developer unlock" on Apple Silicon, a move that I think will make both Windows and Linux look increasingly attractive to developers.

baq 6y ago
Microsoft with WSL2 is pretty much ready to go for the jugular IMHO.
- ChuckNorris89 6y ago
  Windows Update 2004 made the experience even smoother on my XPS 15.
  - efreak 6y ago
    Unfortunately, it hasn't fixed the problem with running VirtualBox using the hypervisor platform/virtual machine platform (I forget which) while hyper-v is enabled: sha sums (and other hashes like whirlpool, md5, etc) don't work properly. Meaning I can't use wsl2 and VirtualBox. Or use the Android emulator and VirtualBox. And yes, this seems to be a obscure issue that's hard to research (`Intel SHA extension` and `/etc/gcrypt/hwf.deny` may help); I've had to look this up three times now because I keep doing it in private browsing mode or on another device/browser. Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed that Microsoft won't add support for ssh-copy-id.
  - H1Supreme 6y ago
    Same here. My terminal/neovim setup feels very close to what I run on a native Linux machine. A huge step up from WSL1, imo.
dasKrokodil 6y ago
If developers move from Apple to Windows because of this, they haven't learned from their mistakes.
- tonyedgecombe 6y ago
  Yes, I've found code signing on Window is a lot more hassle than on macos. You still need to pay for the certs as well. The only distinction is the scary warnings on Windows come slightly earlier.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Which developers? There are plenty of us that don't care about UNIX.
GnarfGnarf 6y ago
I agree. Coming from Windows, preparing an installer for macOS is insanely complicated, a huge consumption of developer time.

baq 6y ago

Microsoft with WSL2 is pretty much ready to go for the jugular IMHO.

ChuckNorris89 6y ago
Windows Update 2004 made the experience even smoother on my XPS 15.
- efreak 6y ago
  Unfortunately, it hasn't fixed the problem with running VirtualBox using the hypervisor platform/virtual machine platform (I forget which) while hyper-v is enabled: sha sums (and other hashes like whirlpool, md5, etc) don't work properly. Meaning I can't use wsl2 and VirtualBox. Or use the Android emulator and VirtualBox. And yes, this seems to be a obscure issue that's hard to research (`Intel SHA extension` and `/etc/gcrypt/hwf.deny` may help); I've had to look this up three times now because I keep doing it in private browsing mode or on another device/browser. Don't mind me, I'm just annoyed that Microsoft won't add support for ssh-copy-id.
- H1Supreme 6y ago
  Same here. My terminal/neovim setup feels very close to what I run on a native Linux machine. A huge step up from WSL1, imo.

dasKrokodil 6y ago

If developers move from Apple to Windows because of this, they haven't learned from their mistakes.

tonyedgecombe 6y ago
Yes, I've found code signing on Window is a lot more hassle than on macos. You still need to pay for the certs as well. The only distinction is the scary warnings on Windows come slightly earlier.
pjmlp 6y ago
Which developers? There are plenty of us that don't care about UNIX.

GnarfGnarf 6y ago

I agree. Coming from Windows, preparing an installer for macOS is insanely complicated, a huge consumption of developer time.