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1) I searched the article for "damage" and "should move" and didn't find it, so either it was in a screen cap (but I didn't find it there, either) or you meant

by FabHK 6y ago

1) I searched the article for "damage" and "should move" and didn't find it, so either it was in a screen cap (but I didn't find it there, either) or you meant "literally" in the new sense of "not literally". 2) Apple documentation [1] says (my highlight) "The Apple notary service is an automated system that scans your software for malicious content, checks for code-signing issues, and returns the results to you quickly." Is the claim that Apple is not actually scanning notarised software for malicious content? 3) Random unsigned apps presumably have not been scanned, and might contain malware. I still fail to see the problem, or what's misleading (and "intentionally" so!). [1] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution https://developer.apple.com/documentation/xcode/notarizing_m...

saagarjha 6y ago
I put quotes around it because that is the exact wording it uses: https://www.google.com/search?q=will+damage+your+computer.+you+should+move+it+to+the+trash&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=will+damage+your+computer.+y.... You may note that among the apps shown there is LibreOffice and somebody’s issue on GitHub saying they were getting it when creating their Electron app.
CRConrad 6y ago
> Is the claim that Apple is not actually scanning notarised software for malicious content? No, the claim is that just because Apple _hasn't_ scanned some particular piece of software for malicious content, that doesn't necessarily mean it _does_ contain such. > 3) Random unsigned apps presumably have not been scanned, and might contain malware. Exactly: they _might._ But popping up big hysterical warnings about it strongly implies, particularly to less technically well-versed users, that they_ do._ > what's misleading (and "intentionally" so!). Strongly implying something that is obviously not true, that's what's misleading. In fact, AFAICT, that is the very definition thereof. And unless they're putting stuff they didn't intend to say into the dialogs they pop up, then yes, it is obviously intentional. Is the claim that their dialog text is un-intentional? > I still fail to see the problem Two hoary old quotes (or is the first a proverb? Maybe literally, from Proverbs) come to mind: 1: Nobody is as blind as he who does not want to see. 2: It's hard to make a man see something he doesn't want to see, particularly if his salary depends on him not seeing it. (Personally, I do data warehousing / ETL programming for a living; currently at the Finnish Social Security Agency.)

by FabHK 6y ago

saagarjha 6y ago

I put quotes around it because that is the exact wording it uses: https://www.google.com/search?q=will+damage+your+computer.+you+should+move+it+to+the+trash&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=will+damage+your+computer.+y.... You may note that among the apps shown there is LibreOffice and somebody’s issue on GitHub saying they were getting it when creating their Electron app.

CRConrad 6y ago

> Is the claim that Apple is not actually scanning notarised software for malicious content? No, the claim is that just because Apple _hasn't_ scanned some particular piece of software for malicious content, that doesn't necessarily mean it _does_ contain such. > 3) Random unsigned apps presumably have not been scanned, and might contain malware. Exactly: they _might._ But popping up big hysterical warnings about it strongly implies, particularly to less technically well-versed users, that they_ do._ > what's misleading (and "intentionally" so!). Strongly implying something that is obviously not true, that's what's misleading. In fact, AFAICT, that is the very definition thereof. And unless they're putting stuff they didn't intend to say into the dialogs they pop up, then yes, it is obviously intentional. Is the claim that their dialog text is un-intentional? > I still fail to see the problem Two hoary old quotes (or is the first a proverb? Maybe literally, from Proverbs) come to mind: 1: Nobody is as blind as he who does not want to see. 2: It's hard to make a man see something he doesn't want to see, particularly if his salary depends on him not seeing it. (Personally, I do data warehousing / ETL programming for a living; currently at the Finnish Social Security Agency.)