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>If the same was done to them, someone pursuing their families, they would be crying foul from the internet's roof tops. I'm not sure if you're joking here or

by blhack 16y ago

>If the same was done to them, someone pursuing their families, they would be crying foul from the internet's roof tops. I'm not sure if you're joking here or not, but this is exactly what was done to "them" during the HbGary thing, and this is exactly what is trying to be done to "them" in the George Hotz case (Sony is seeking information on George Hotz, as well as anybody who visited his website.) And they are crying foul from the internet's rooftops. Which is exactly where we are at now.

hartror 16y ago
So two wrongs make a right? Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders?
- mcantelon 16y ago
  >So two wrongs make a right? Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders? Whether it's a proportional response or not is debatable, but it's an unsurprising and natural turn of events in a system where corporations, because of the degree to which they lobby political parties, are catered to by the law and the courts. All Sony execs have to do to restore their personal security is back off from attempting to abuse their power.
  - sudonim 16y ago
    > All Sony execs have to do to restore their personal security is back off from attempting to abuse their power. Bam, that is this, and the wikileaks thing in a nutshell. Gov & Corps are abusing their power at the expense of individuals. Anonymous (The Internet) gives previously weak individuals a way to level the playing field.
    - hartror 16y ago
      Even Wikileaks redact information that could get innocent people in trouble/killed. What Wikileaks does is controlled and measured, Anon is the the school's downtrodden nerds ganging up on the bullies little sister. Going after the loved ones of the target of your fury is a tactic of criminals and despots. Gang up on the bully.
      - dhimes 16y ago
        Going after the loved ones of the target of your fury is a tactic of criminals and despots. I agree. However, as others have pointed out that's what Sony is doing. Yet they are not being prosecuted for it. So in some sense perhaps this adopting of the tactics of criminals to use against the criminals themselves (speaking hyperbolically or at least theoretically here- perhaps too strong to apply directly to Sony) is in some sense justice? Especially where the law fails. Hey, I have a family. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone who was pissed at me to come after them. But then, I wouldn't go after their family either.
- blhack 16y ago
  >So two wrongs make a right? No. >Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? No. >And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders? Absolutely not.
- cabalamat 16y ago
  > So two wrongs make a right? Is it wrong to respond if someone is attacking you? Sony are subverting governments to make laws that take away my (and your freedom on the internet. These laws are backed by credible threats of lethal force. What anonymous are doing to Sony executives is but a small fraction of what Sony executives are doing to internet users worldwide.

by blhack 16y ago

hartror 16y ago

So two wrongs make a right? Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders?

mcantelon 16y ago
>So two wrongs make a right? Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders? Whether it's a proportional response or not is debatable, but it's an unsurprising and natural turn of events in a system where corporations, because of the degree to which they lobby political parties, are catered to by the law and the courts. All Sony execs have to do to restore their personal security is back off from attempting to abuse their power.
- sudonim 16y ago
  > All Sony execs have to do to restore their personal security is back off from attempting to abuse their power. Bam, that is this, and the wikileaks thing in a nutshell. Gov & Corps are abusing their power at the expense of individuals. Anonymous (The Internet) gives previously weak individuals a way to level the playing field.
  - hartror 16y ago
    Even Wikileaks redact information that could get innocent people in trouble/killed. What Wikileaks does is controlled and measured, Anon is the the school's downtrodden nerds ganging up on the bullies little sister. Going after the loved ones of the target of your fury is a tactic of criminals and despots. Gang up on the bully.
    - dhimes 16y ago
      Going after the loved ones of the target of your fury is a tactic of criminals and despots. I agree. However, as others have pointed out that's what Sony is doing. Yet they are not being prosecuted for it. So in some sense perhaps this adopting of the tactics of criminals to use against the criminals themselves (speaking hyperbolically or at least theoretically here- perhaps too strong to apply directly to Sony) is in some sense justice? Especially where the law fails. Hey, I have a family. I sure as hell wouldn't want someone who was pissed at me to come after them. But then, I wouldn't go after their family either.
blhack 16y ago
>So two wrongs make a right? No. >Because others are doing it Anon is justified in doing it as well? No. >And justified in taking it further and exposing innocent bystanders? Absolutely not.
cabalamat 16y ago
> So two wrongs make a right? Is it wrong to respond if someone is attacking you? Sony are subverting governments to make laws that take away my (and your freedom on the internet. These laws are backed by credible threats of lethal force. What anonymous are doing to Sony executives is but a small fraction of what Sony executives are doing to internet users worldwide.