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I just looked it up, and it seems like $100 is worth less than half a week of an average developers salary in Iran.

saagarjha 6y ago
$100 can be an hour of a developer's salary here, or even less. The relative cost is quite large. (Oh, and guess who isn't making a developer's salary in Iran? Someone who is just starting out, or an open source developer, or someone who is currently unemployed…)
- hu3 6y ago
  Exactly. Consulting jobs in London often pay $500+/day if you know what you're doing. $100 for half a week of work would be a lot. People who think otherwise live in a bubble.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    I think you're trying to agree with me, but I don't think I've made a point for you to agree with. At least, it's probably not yours.
- dec0dedab0de 6y ago
  But if youre just starting out or only releasing your code for free, then you're not a "viable software business", which is what the article was complaining about.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    You know who needs to get new customers (the next sentence in the paragraph you took the quote from)? People bootstrapping a software business.
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      Or people who want to publish a software for free. It's surprising how many people have forgotten that software development and starting out new projects wasn't always for an endgoal of monetizing it.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  Literally no one in Iran is paying $100/hr. I looked at your website you have linked on your bio as well. You've never even worked in Iran. Stop lying. Edit: this comment was a misunderstanding, ignore please.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    By "here" I mean the United States, a place that I lived and worked in my entire life.
    - aaomidi 6y ago
      Ah that makes more sense
      - saagarjha 6y ago
        I try to make myself fairly easy to find as a show that my intentions are not to mislead :)
smnrchrds 6y ago
1. As a part of US's sanctions against Iran, Apple does not do business with Iran, period. Neither does Google. That's why people install Cafe Bazaar (https://cafebazaar.ir/ https://cafebazaar.ir/), and alternative app store, on their Android phones the moment they get them—they cannot install apps from the official Play Store, nor can Iranian developers upload their apps there. The same is true of App Store of course, and there is little recourse there. 2. Your information regarding salary seems terribly outdated. There has been several sudden and dramatic losses of purchasing power and reduction in exchange rate for Iranian Rial, cumulatively by a factor of more than 7, during the past year. At the current exchange rate of ~220,000 IRR to 1 USD, the monthly salary of an Iranian developer would be around ~160 USD a month. Breaking the 100MM IRR/~454 USD barrier would be difficult for most developers. So even if the sanctions were lifted tomorrow, only large corporations would be willing to spend 100 USD at the current exchange rate, not independent developers. Source regarding salary [in Farsi]: https://jadi.net/2020/02/programmers-97-stats/ https://jadi.net/2020/02/programmers-97-stats/
aaomidi 6y ago
Makes sense. Irancell pays around $350-450/month with today's exchange rate.

$100 can be an hour of a developer's salary here, or even less. The relative cost is quite large. (Oh, and guess who isn't making a developer's salary in Iran? Someone who is just starting out, or an open source developer, or someone who is currently unemployed…)

hu3 6y ago
Exactly. Consulting jobs in London often pay $500+/day if you know what you're doing. $100 for half a week of work would be a lot. People who think otherwise live in a bubble.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  I think you're trying to agree with me, but I don't think I've made a point for you to agree with. At least, it's probably not yours.
dec0dedab0de 6y ago
But if youre just starting out or only releasing your code for free, then you're not a "viable software business", which is what the article was complaining about.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  You know who needs to get new customers (the next sentence in the paragraph you took the quote from)? People bootstrapping a software business.
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    Or people who want to publish a software for free. It's surprising how many people have forgotten that software development and starting out new projects wasn't always for an endgoal of monetizing it.
aaomidi 6y ago
Literally no one in Iran is paying $100/hr. I looked at your website you have linked on your bio as well. You've never even worked in Iran. Stop lying. Edit: this comment was a misunderstanding, ignore please.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  By "here" I mean the United States, a place that I lived and worked in my entire life.
  - aaomidi 6y ago
    Ah that makes more sense
    - saagarjha 6y ago
      I try to make myself fairly easy to find as a show that my intentions are not to mislead :)

smnrchrds 6y ago

1. As a part of US's sanctions against Iran, Apple does not do business with Iran, period. Neither does Google. That's why people install Cafe Bazaar (https://cafebazaar.ir/ https://cafebazaar.ir/), and alternative app store, on their Android phones the moment they get them—they cannot install apps from the official Play Store, nor can Iranian developers upload their apps there. The same is true of App Store of course, and there is little recourse there. 2. Your information regarding salary seems terribly outdated. There has been several sudden and dramatic losses of purchasing power and reduction in exchange rate for Iranian Rial, cumulatively by a factor of more than 7, during the past year. At the current exchange rate of ~220,000 IRR to 1 USD, the monthly salary of an Iranian developer would be around ~160 USD a month. Breaking the 100MM IRR/~454 USD barrier would be difficult for most developers. So even if the sanctions were lifted tomorrow, only large corporations would be willing to spend 100 USD at the current exchange rate, not independent developers. Source regarding salary [in Farsi]: https://jadi.net/2020/02/programmers-97-stats/ https://jadi.net/2020/02/programmers-97-stats/

aaomidi 6y ago

Makes sense. Irancell pays around $350-450/month with today's exchange rate.