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Good. Regular users are not sufficiently computer-savvy to avoid being tricked into installing malware.

by dmart 6y ago

Shared404 6y ago
Bad. Users will get more trapped and have less mobility to become computer-savvy. That, or their "techy friend" will jailbreak it for them, and now we're worse off in every way.
wvenable 6y ago
I developed a pretty cool piece of freeware to control a consumer hardware device and I ran into this "very scary Windows dialog" problem. I specifically don't want to charge for this application as then it's a business and it's just a hobby for me. Thankfully one of my users is also a developer and now he signs all my releases. What does this have to do with users being savvy or not? Unsurprisingly nothing at all.
rpdillon 6y ago
I mean, you're right, but I feel like the approach we're taking is that we have to cater to the least tech-savvy person that might every use the computer, even if that damages the experience for millions of folks that are tech-savvy. I really disagree with this this one-size-fits-all approach. It seems like a local optimum, at best. Of course, more tech-savvy users can always use a system that doesn't impose this on them, but I really wish Apple would provide different experiences to different users. If they hadn't diluted the "Pro" moniker, I'd advocate for "Pro" editions of MacOS that remove all this stuff. As it is, every amateur user thinks they should get a Macbook Pro, and my user experience on any distro of Linux is miles ahead of any other platform available. That's fine for me (I'll probably never leave Linux unless something drastic changes), but what about folks that love Apple and are tech-savvy? Why should they have to jump through increasingly arcane hoops to do very reasonable things (like run unsigned code) on a machine they bought? It seems like a massive missed opportunity.
- ttys000 6y ago
  Apple needs to finish migrating their casual userbase off MacOS and onto iPadOS. Macs should be reserved for engineers and other technician oriented jobs in the various industries. That should be the delineation. The industry tried to morph desktop computing into the world of Windows XP playschool friendly computing. Teach grandma for the 6th time how to click the start menu, etc. That was a stopgap solution, and that era is over. We need to move all of those people off of computers and onto consumer-safe devices. Then restore desktop computing back to its originally intended audience, take off the bumpers and give unregulated access back to serious computer users who want to build important stuff, not get constantly nagged and prohibited from doing so.
userbinator 6y ago
Apply that thinking to all the other "bad things people could be tricked into doing" and that's how you end up with an authoritarian government controlling every aspect of our lives...

Good. Regular users are not sufficiently computer-savvy to avoid being tricked into installing malware.

by dmart 6y ago

Good. Regular users are not sufficiently computer-savvy to avoid being tricked into installing malware.

Bad. Users will get more trapped and have less mobility to become computer-savvy. That, or their "techy friend" will jailbreak it for them, and now we're worse off in every way.

wvenable 6y ago

I developed a pretty cool piece of freeware to control a consumer hardware device and I ran into this "very scary Windows dialog" problem. I specifically don't want to charge for this application as then it's a business and it's just a hobby for me. Thankfully one of my users is also a developer and now he signs all my releases. What does this have to do with users being savvy or not? Unsurprisingly nothing at all.

rpdillon 6y ago

I mean, you're right, but I feel like the approach we're taking is that we have to cater to the least tech-savvy person that might every use the computer, even if that damages the experience for millions of folks that are tech-savvy. I really disagree with this this one-size-fits-all approach. It seems like a local optimum, at best. Of course, more tech-savvy users can always use a system that doesn't impose this on them, but I really wish Apple would provide different experiences to different users. If they hadn't diluted the "Pro" moniker, I'd advocate for "Pro" editions of MacOS that remove all this stuff. As it is, every amateur user thinks they should get a Macbook Pro, and my user experience on any distro of Linux is miles ahead of any other platform available. That's fine for me (I'll probably never leave Linux unless something drastic changes), but what about folks that love Apple and are tech-savvy? Why should they have to jump through increasingly arcane hoops to do very reasonable things (like run unsigned code) on a machine they bought? It seems like a massive missed opportunity.

ttys000 6y ago
Apple needs to finish migrating their casual userbase off MacOS and onto iPadOS. Macs should be reserved for engineers and other technician oriented jobs in the various industries. That should be the delineation. The industry tried to morph desktop computing into the world of Windows XP playschool friendly computing. Teach grandma for the 6th time how to click the start menu, etc. That was a stopgap solution, and that era is over. We need to move all of those people off of computers and onto consumer-safe devices. Then restore desktop computing back to its originally intended audience, take off the bumpers and give unregulated access back to serious computer users who want to build important stuff, not get constantly nagged and prohibited from doing so.

userbinator 6y ago

Apply that thinking to all the other "bad things people could be tricked into doing" and that's how you end up with an authoritarian government controlling every aspect of our lives...