I have already address most of this so we are just talking in circles, as it is not the government that protects my property rights, this is point I dont think

I have already address most of this so we are just talking in circles, as it is not the government that protects my property rights, this is point I dont think we can get past as you seem to believe that government is the source of rights and I do not. Under no rational ethical foundation of cooperative society would anyone have the right "to walk into a shop and take whatever I wanted to" that would not be a civilization at all something you seem to inherently recognize but still insist using this straw-man to advance your flawed view of rights The argument about Real Property(land /natural resources) is a better one, and one I am actually sympathetic to but this argument was not one I ever used to support my position, in fact I am very much a Georgist and do believe that land & natural resources should be "owned" by humanity collectively and I have ethical problems with the foundation of homesteading. That said this discussion was around wealth generated not by land but by labor, if you want to fund a public healthcare system under a Georgist single tax system then I would be amenable to this discussion but taxing wages is theft of labor, it is akin indentured servitude and there is no way to get around this fact. However in modern society no one suggests such a public finance method, the default go to funding model is theft of Income, either personal or business. I can never support such an unethical system